[66083] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Extreme spam testing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andy Dills)
Tue Dec 23 17:26:44 2003
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:25:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Andy Dills <andy@xecu.net>
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <g365g7uv3k.fsf@sa.vix.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
On 23 Dec 2003, Paul Vixie wrote:
> > You'd be hard pressed to frame what NJABL does in terms of "abuse",
> > because of the intent, and because of the actual bit volume involved.
>
> intent does not, and cannot, matter. when an isp hears a complain about
> spam, and seeks explaination from their spamming customer, an answer of
> the form "we have only the best of intentions", then the result still has
> to be service disconnection.
Therefore, in accordance with your logic, if I have a "spam in hand", and
I probe your servers to determine if you're an open relay, I'm myself
spamming, and that is network abuse, and my ISP should disconnect me.
So intent doesn't matter, huh?
Andy
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