[65034] in North American Network Operators' Group
stop the CC'ing Re: [Re: This may be stupid but.. ]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Brown (CV))
Mon Nov 10 11:43:46 2003
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:43:02 -0700
From: " John Brown (CV)" <jmbrown@chagresventures.com>
To: joshua sahala <joshua.ej.smith@usa.net>
Cc: Peter Galbavy <peter.galbavy@knowtion.net>,
Richard Irving <rirving@onecall.net>,
Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net>,
Vadim Antonov <avg@kotovnik.com>,
"Nanog List (E-mail)" <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <091HkJqKY5760S08.1068482210@uwdvg008.cms.usa.net>; from joshua.ej.smith@usa.net on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:36:50AM -0500
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Hey folks, can you please stop the CC'ing of people
that have responded to this thread. Just reply to NANOG.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:36:50AM -0500, joshua sahala wrote:
> "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy@knowtion.net> wrote:
> >
> > A willingness, nay - a NEED, to learn and be open to new concepts is
> > what forward moving technology sectors (like ours I hope) need.
>
> definately - however, i know of some very smart people, with a huge
> drive to learn, were relegated to clueless tasks because they didn't have
> many many years of experience. there is a distrubing trend amongst
> managers/etc where they think that if you haven't already done the job
> for several years, you can't learn to do it, or don't have the skill to
> do it. i am not saying that this is universal (as demonstrated by
> several posts here to that effect), but i think that these are exceptions
>
> > Acronyms mean sh*t. When involved in any hiring process, I actively
> > avoid CCIE/MSCE/etc. laden resumes. Mentioning once, fine. Using them
> > like religious phrases is an indictation of, well, stupidity.
>
> certifications are often necessary to open the door - granted if you
> were architecting internetworks when many of today's certified
> 'engineers' were still in grade school, then no, certifications are
> probably not needed.
>
> experience is a catch-22, you need experience to get a job, but you need
> a job to get experience. i am not saying that certifications are a
> panacea, but lacking the ability to say that i built $major_isp, my certs
> have helped me (a little) in getting past the recruiter/hr to where my
> technical skills can be demonstrated
>
> > > i'm recruiter-proof. i'm not sure i'd want anyone who wasn't.
> >
> > Aye. I have *never* used my CV/Resume in getting a job. I still have
> > one, but it's very out of date.
>
> never is a long time
>
> perhaps it is just the fact that i am 'new' to the field, but my resume
> has gotten me all but one job, and my resume indirectly got me that one.
>
> my slightly bitter $0.02
>
> /joshua
>
>
>
> > Peter
> >
> >
>
>
>
> "Walk with me through the Universe,
> And along the way see how all of us are Connected.
> Feast the eyes of your Soul,
> On the Love that abounds.
> In all places at once, seemingly endless,
> Like your own existence."
> - Stephen Hawking -
>
>
