[64876] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Hijacked IP space.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Nov 4 04:18:08 2003
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:15:46 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
To: Hank Nussbacher <hank@att.net.il>, Ron da Silva <ron@aol.net>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031104103804.00b01f30@max.att.net.il>
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"lease-licensed" is different from "leased". They are leasing you a =
license
to use the address space and claim it as unique to your organization.
If you look at the contract that you sign with the RIR, you will notice
that it does not convey ownership or any sort of lease in the commercial
lease sense of the word, but, the use of the term in policies is more
along the lines of the DHCP lease sense of the word. Also, notice
that all of the policies you quote are WRT IPv6 space and not
current IPv4 policies.
IPv6 is still regarded as experimental in nature by the RIRs and as such,=20
they
have probably not spent a lot of time refining the legalese in the language
for their allocation policies.
Owen
--On Tuesday, November 4, 2003 10:44 AM +0200 Hank Nussbacher=20
<hank@att.net.il> wrote:
> At 12:33 AM 04-11-03 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>
>> No, they do not view themseleves as leasing address space. They view
>> themseleves as registering it. They are quite clear about this. The
>> term leasing is commonly misapplied by people outside the RIR, but, I
>> have never seen any RIR claim that they are leasing the address space.
>> Certainly not in the financial sense.
>
> That is not what RIPE and ARIN state. They specifically use the word
> "lease".
>
> <http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/registration/ipv6/global-ipv6-a
> ssign-2001-12-22.html>
> and
> <http://www.arin.net/policy/global-ipv6-assign-2001-12-22.txt>
>
> "The global IPv6 policies in this document are based upon the
> understanding that address space is lease-licensed for use rather than
> owned. All Internet Registries are expected to manage address space
> operations correctly in accordance with this principle."
>
> Also:
> <http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/presentations/ir-allocation-procedures
> /tsld009.html>
>
> Also:
> http://www.arin.net/library/minutes/ARIN_IX/ppm_doc.html
>
> "In regard to the criteria that "organizations who are granted initial
> allocations, but after two years no longer satisfy the requirements
> above, are subject to having their allocations revoked", the following
> model was proposed for allocations:
>
> - Addresses are "leased", assignments are not permanent"
>
> Many more examples.
>
> -Hank
>
--=20
If it wasn't signed, it probably didn't come from me.
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