[63752] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Wired mag article on spammers playing traceroute games
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Margie Arbon)
Thu Oct 9 20:20:08 2003
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:20:10 -0700
From: Margie Arbon <margie@mail-abuse.org>
Reply-To: Margie Arbon <margie@mail-abuse.org>
To: Susan Harris <srh@merit.edu>, NANOG <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10310091951330.19263-100000@backin5.merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
--On Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:54 PM -0400 Susan Harris
<srh@merit.edu> wrote:
>
> Folks, let's move this discussion onto one of the many lists that
> focuses on spam:
>
> http://www.claws-and-paws.com/spam-l/spam-l.html -- spam-l list
> for spam prevention and discussion
> http://www.abuse.net/spamtools.html -- spam tools list for
> software tools that detect spam
> net.admin.net-abuse.email | net.admin.net-abuse.usenet -- usenet
> lists
>
I am curious as to why open proxies, compromised hosts, trojans and
routing games are not considered operational issues simply because
the vehicle being discussed is spam.
With all due respect, we have a *problem*. End user machines on
broadband connections are being misconfigured and/or compromised in
frightening numbers. These machines are being used for everything
from IRC flooder to spam engines, to DNS servers to massive DDoS
infrastructure. If the ability of a teenager to launch a gb/s DDoS,
or of someone DoSing mailservers off the internet with a trojan that
contains a spam engine is not operational, perhaps it's just me
that's confused.
Two-three years ago the warnings were ignored because it was only
IRC. Now it's only spam. What does it take to make the Network
Operators and NANOG decide that things that are a "very bad thing" on
one protocol generally can bite you later on another if you ignore it
because it's only <insert your least favorite program or protocol
here>?
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