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Re: Verisign's public opinion play
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Henry Linneweh)
Tue Oct 7 06:12:16 2003
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:11:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Henry Linneweh <hrlinneweh@sbcglobal.net>
To: Brian Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com>, nanog@merit.edu
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Innovation and the Internet
http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5086769.html
is about 12 hours old on google news
-Henry
Brian Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> wrote:
Well, I donno about anyone else, but I absolutely suck on the PR end of
things.
Now, I *am* good at writing documentation for end users (I used to work
helldesk).
So, my question is, is there any place on the web where we can go, see whats
been written up so far, find out what still needs to be written, and get
people to fill in the blanks?
I know personally I would love to put out a paper, but I have no idea where
to begin.
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Brian Bruns
The Summit Open Source Development Group
Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources
http://www.2mbit.com
ICQ: 8077511
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen DeLong"
To: "Brian Bruns"
;
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: Verisign's public opinion play
> I wish it were lack of clue. This is something far more evil than lack
> of clue, and, the bottom line is that these guys are much better at
> PR than most of us. Since they can't win on engineering, because they
> are wrong, they are trying to make it a PR battle instead. They are
> having some success. We _MUST_ fight this as a PR battle. We _MUST_
> write courteous, prompt, and, factual replies to these publications.
> The more people who do that, the better our side will look. We must point
> out where Verisign is lying, and, we must concede where they are not.
> We must clarify where their technically accurate statements lead to
> wildly inaccurate perceptions.
>
> Owen
>
>
> --On Monday, October 6, 2003 23:15 -0400 Brian Bruns
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Wish someone who was good with the clue-axe would take a swing at these
> > dolts.
> >
> > We all know they are crying babies because their new method of profit
was
> > shut down.
> >
> > Now, the interesting question will be, how can we prevent them from
adding
> > sitefinder again?
> >
> >
> > --------------------------
> > Brian Bruns
> > The Summit Open Source Development Group
> > Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources
> > http://www.2mbit.com
> > ICQ: 8077511
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kee Hinckley"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:12 PM
> > Subject: Verisign's public opinion play
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Take your blood pressure medicine before reading this one.
> >> http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5086769.html
> >> Apparently our objections stem from our lingering resentment over the
> >> commercial use of the internet.
> >>
> >> In case you're wondering who the author is, since neither the bio on
> >> the page or Verisign's site is helpful. Mark McLaughlin is a former
> >> lawyer who moved into Marketing and Biz Development (Caere, Gemplus,
> >> Signio and then Verisign payments).
> >> --
> >> Kee Hinckley
> >> http://www.messagefire.com/ Next Generation Spam Defense
> >> http://commons.somewhere.com/buzz/ Writings on Technology and Society
> >>
> >> I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to
accept
> >> responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to
> > regulate
> >> everyone else's.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Innovation and the Internet</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5086769.html">http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5086769.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>is about 12 hours old on google news</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Henry<BR><BR><B><I>Brian Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>Well, I donno about anyone else, but I absolutely suck on the PR end of<BR>things.<BR><BR>Now, I *am* good at writing documentation for end users (I used to work<BR>helldesk).<BR><BR>So, my question is, is there any place on the web where we can go, see whats<BR>been written up so far, find out what still needs to be written, and get<BR>people to fill in the blanks?<BR><BR>I know personally I would love to put out a paper, but I have no idea where<BR>to begin.<BR><BR>--------------------------<BR>Brian Bruns<BR>The Summit Open Source Development Group<BR>Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources<BR>http://www.2mbit.com<BR>ICQ: 8077511<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Owen DeLong" <OWEN@DELONG.COM><BR>To: "Brian Bruns" <BRUNS@2MBIT.COM>; <NANOG@MERIT.EDU><BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:00 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Verisign's public opinion
play<BR><BR><BR>> I wish it were lack of clue. This is something far more evil than lack<BR>> of clue, and, the bottom line is that these guys are much better at<BR>> PR than most of us. Since they can't win on engineering, because they<BR>> are wrong, they are trying to make it a PR battle instead. They are<BR>> having some success. We _MUST_ fight this as a PR battle. We _MUST_<BR>> write courteous, prompt, and, factual replies to these publications.<BR>> The more people who do that, the better our side will look. We must point<BR>> out where Verisign is lying, and, we must concede where they are not.<BR>> We must clarify where their technically accurate statements lead to<BR>> wildly inaccurate perceptions.<BR>><BR>> Owen<BR>><BR>><BR>> --On Monday, October 6, 2003 23:15 -0400 Brian Bruns <BRUNS@2MBIT.COM><BR>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> ><BR>> > Wish someone who was good with the clue-axe would take a swing at these<BR>>
> dolts.<BR>> ><BR>> > We all know they are crying babies because their new method of profit<BR>was<BR>> > shut down.<BR>> ><BR>> > Now, the interesting question will be, how can we prevent them from<BR>adding<BR>> > sitefinder again?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > --------------------------<BR>> > Brian Bruns<BR>> > The Summit Open Source Development Group<BR>> > Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources<BR>> > http://www.2mbit.com<BR>> > ICQ: 8077511<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Kee Hinckley" <NAZGUL@SOMEWHERE.COM><BR>> > To: <NANOG@MERIT.EDU><BR>> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:12 PM<BR>> > Subject: Verisign's public opinion play<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >><BR>> >> Take your blood pressure medicine before reading this one.<BR>> >> http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5086769.html<BR>> >> Apparently
our objections stem from our lingering resentment over the<BR>> >> commercial use of the internet.<BR>> >><BR>> >> In case you're wondering who the author is, since neither the bio on<BR>> >> the page or Verisign's site is helpful. Mark McLaughlin is a former<BR>> >> lawyer who moved into Marketing and Biz Development (Caere, Gemplus,<BR>> >> Signio and then Verisign payments).<BR>> >> --<BR>> >> Kee Hinckley<BR>> >> http://www.messagefire.com/ Next Generation Spam Defense<BR>> >> http://commons.somewhere.com/buzz/ Writings on Technology and Society<BR>> >><BR>> >> I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to<BR>accept<BR>> >> responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to<BR>> > regulate<BR>> >> everyone else's.<BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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