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Re: williams spamhaus blacklist

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dr. Jeffrey Race)
Wed Sep 24 21:57:44 2003

From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
To: "Leo Bicknell" <bicknell@ufp.org>,
	"nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:55:53 +0700
Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu


On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:01:48 -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:

>Blocking wcg's corporate mail servers is not the solution. 

It is the ONLY solution that works, as shown many times including
the case just posted to this list about Sprint.

>Sure, it may get
>someone's attention at wcg, but it may also harm a lot of "innocent"
>communications, sales talking to clients, other wiltel customers
>requesting support, heck, the secretary ordering lunch to be
>delivered.

These people are also victims of bad corporate management and
they should complain to their managers, not to their fellow victims.

>
>There are laws against spam.  If you have evidence, sue in civil
>court, or get a DA to go for it in criminal court.

There are no presently enforceable laws for this kind of corporate
abuse.  The only thing that works is hitting the malafactors directly.

Regarding BLs: no one forces anyone to use them.   They are used  
because recipients don't want to get trash.

Those with a quiet moment who want to see a novel, amusing and detailed
ventilation of this issue may take a look at

 <http://www.camblab.com/nugget/spam_03.pdf>  (some details dated)
    and
 <http://www.camblab.com/misc/univ_std.txt>   (work in progress)

I'd welcome any comments.

Jeffrey Race


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