[61193] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Rules and Regs for a LEC's and Non LEC's
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Diaz)
Mon Aug 25 19:35:55 2003
In-Reply-To: <20030825223031.GA45285@gweep.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:34:47 -0400
To: nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net, nanog@merit.edu
From: David Diaz <techlist@smoton.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Yep, if memory serves Bellsouth had 23. 1 for each one of the 22
latas and the 23rd was the dereg'ed ASN that would come after LD
relief. Makes it hard to even talk about peering with other
companies. Image when they ask for your ASN and you tell them u dont
know offhand, u have to email them. So they decide that's kinda dumb
and just do a trace to your webserver and run stats on that one ASN.
THen they get the list of 23 and you can could the seconds before the
phone rings with a #*$(*#. It's a tough sell.
Hi Joe.
dave
At 18:30 -0400 8/25/03, Joe Provo wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:35:47PM -0400, McBurnett, Jim wrote:
>> -RBOCs (note, not ILECs) cannot move inter-lata traffic without being
>> -approved by PUC in each state for "interstate long distance". (I believe
>> -this is part of 1984 MFJ).
>>
>> -CLECs have no restrictions on that. Neither do non-CLEC ISPs.
>>
>> ---alex
>>
>> I thought this only applied to VOICE traffic.
>
>BZZT. Any inter-LATA traffic requires regulatory approval. Do
>you think the RBOC engineers wanted an ASN per LATA? They were/
>are required to hand ALL traffic on the LATA boundary to their
>allocated carrier. This wound up as essentially regulated
>subsidies (albeit indirectly) for sprint, genuity, qwest,
>uunet ... they made out from both ends between the dot-com boom
>and RBOC-restrictions from the telecom act of 1996. Between the
>dot-bomb bust and regulatory relief for the RBOCs, is it any
>wonder that their cash cows are running dry and they are offering
>fire-sale prices to try and get customers stuck in recurring
>contracts?
>
>Wild that people still don't understand the regulations so many
>years after they were cast in concrete. Do people actually
>think any of these companies don't play all sides against the
>middle? Any deal you get from one of them is because they are
>getting something out of the transaction.
>
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