[60829] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: East Coast outage?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (alex@yuriev.com)
Sun Aug 17 15:22:24 2003
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: alex@yuriev.com
To: hackerwacker@tarpit.cybermesa.com
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308171040470.26248-100000@tarpit.cybermesa.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
> > >
> > > And solar nor wind are good for base energy production so we=B4re stu=
ck
> > > with other methods unless you want to move IP packets only when it=B4=
s
> > > windy.
> >
> > Or you store excess power generated on windy/sunny days for later
> > distribution on calm/rainy days:
> > http://www.tva.gov/sites/raccoonmt.htm
> >
> > That still ignores tidal, hydro, and geothermal power, which are=20
> available
> > 24x7. And let's not forget ethanol, which is easy to make from excess=
=20
> food
> > crops and has already replaced gasoline entirely in a few countries.
>=20
>=20
> Use hydrogen. One solar panel (which will last forever unless you drop=20
> something on it) can split H2O into H and O.=20
Sure, burn energy to store it.
> Store the H for windless days=20
> or at night.
Burn energy here as well.
> Feed this to a turbine for electricity and recover heat for hot=20
> water, store it in a heat sink, ect.=20
Burn energy.
> Or feed the H into a fuel cell &=20
> strip off the electron volts.=20
Burn energy.
> Now a home user can produce wattage to=20
> supply power for his neighbors.=20
Release energy.
> The amount of power to be had via these=20
> hydrogen processes is huge.
Release energy.
> The by-products of this are water and Oxygen.
Release energy.
> The only problem is that the Oil men are in charge. They want to pipe NG=
=20
> to houses and have us crack NG into hydrogen. Cut the cord !
So let us use N J to let us release M J, where N is significantly greater
than M. What a brilliant concept. When someone starts actively doing it,
please remind me the name of the company so I can short it all the way to
zero. Thanks god that the oil people are in charge.
Alex
P.S. The problem with ethanol is the same - the total amount of energy
needed to crate useful fuel is greater than the amount of energy it
generates.
