[60777] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: East Coast outage?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen J. Wilcox)
Fri Aug 15 18:46:28 2003
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:32:17 +0100 (BST)
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
To: Ejay Hire <ejay.hire@isdn.net>
Cc: Petri Helenius <pete@he.iki.fi>, <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <B0291F8CF6D74440A1175DD8E107802304B6DB@bnaw2kmsx01.BNA01.ISDN.NET>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Ejay Hire wrote:
> I similar technology has been discussed before, and I believe it is still=
a
> viable option: RFCs 1149 and 2549, Avian Carriers. While avian carriers=
do
> present problems, (flapping, unpredictable delay, queuing issues, and bug=
gy
> implementations (specifically lice and mites)), I believe they are a bett=
er
> option than IP via Balloon. Balloons offer higher bandwidth (practically=
any
> payload size can be accommodated with a larger envelope), but the connect=
ion
> is much slower and less predictable than avian carrier. Balloon carrier
> retransmits are very expensive and the TTL is affected by the cost of pro=
pane
> and the general wind direction.
Interesting, altho avian carriers is in the RFCs and has actually been used=
,
balloons have not, perhaps you should do an experiment to compare them ;p
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> As an alternative, perhaps we should consider IP via dirigible. A proper=
ly
> sized airship loaded with a high speed DVD-rw library comprising (tens of=
)
> thousands of discs providing a very high bandwidth, high latency, low los=
s (if
> helium is used instead of hydrogen) carrier might be an option.
Actually I think that was a spin-off of the thread not so long ago where th=
ey=20
broke the data speed record. Carrying such a quantity of DVDs (or similar m=
edia)=20
on a plane such as concorde does produce higher bandwidths than current "fa=
t=20
pipes"
Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Petri Helenius [mailto:pete@he.iki.fi]=20
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:50 PM
> To: alex@yuriev.com; Rich Casto
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: East Coast outage?
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> > > subsidize) local power generation via renewable energy sources (e.g.
> > > solar, wind, hydro) it would go a long way towards solving this probl=
em.
> >
> > Rubbish.
> >
> > If in order to make it viable such energy needs to be subsidized then i=
t is
> > not "affordable".
> >
> And solar nor wind are good for base energy production so we=B4re stuck
> with other methods unless you want to move IP packets only when it=B4s wi=
ndy.
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> Maybe we could attach the packets to hot air balloons and send them with =
the wind?
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> Pete
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