[60771] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: East Coast outage?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ejay Hire)
Fri Aug 15 18:23:01 2003
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:19:21 -0500
From: "Ejay Hire" <ejay.hire@isdn.net>
To: "Petri Helenius" <pete@he.iki.fi>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
I similar technology has been discussed before, and I believe it is =
still a viable option: RFCs 1149 and 2549, Avian Carriers. While avian =
carriers do present problems, (flapping, unpredictable delay, queuing =
issues, and buggy implementations (specifically lice and mites)), I =
believe they are a better option than IP via Balloon. Balloons offer =
higher bandwidth (practically any payload size can be accommodated with =
a larger envelope), but the connection is much slower and less =
predictable than avian carrier. Balloon carrier retransmits are very =
expensive and the TTL is affected by the cost of propane and the general =
wind direction. =20
As an alternative, perhaps we should consider IP via dirigible. A =
properly sized airship loaded with a high speed DVD-rw library =
comprising (tens of ) thousands of discs providing a very high =
bandwidth, high latency, low loss (if helium is used instead of =
hydrogen) carrier might be an option.
-e
-----Original Message-----
From: Petri Helenius [mailto:pete@he.iki.fi]=20
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:50 PM
To: alex@yuriev.com; Rich Casto
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: East Coast outage?
> > subsidize) local power generation via renewable energy sources (e.g.
> > solar, wind, hydro) it would go a long way towards solving this =
problem.
>
> Rubbish.
>
> If in order to make it viable such energy needs to be subsidized then =
it is
> not "affordable".
>
And solar nor wind are good for base energy production so we=B4re stuck
with other methods unless you want to move IP packets only when it=B4s =
windy.
Maybe we could attach the packets to hot air balloons and send them with =
the wind?
Pete
