[58308] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: We have a firewall (was Re: Pakistan government orders ISPservice level agreement)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Barak)
Wed May 7 09:24:35 2003
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Barak <thegameiam@yahoo.com>
To: Scott Granados <scott@wworks.net>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <006b01c3142f$3bd13290$6601a8c0@wworks.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
<disclaimer>
I don't work for UUNET (uumci? mcinet?...), although
I know Chris and others who do work there, and have a
biased, very good opinion of their skills and
approaches </disclaimer>
--- Scott Granados <scott@wworks.net> wrote:
>
> Unless you actually call UUnet and your not a
> customer, God help you then.
Well, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for this -
how many (non-networking) companies will do things
which don't benefit their customers on behalf of
someone who is not a customer (and shows no sign of
becoming one)? I can't think of any offhand, and I
don't think that a whole lot would show up in an
exhaustive search.
The chain should be: if under attack (or whatever) -
you call YOUR UPSTREAM. They should call their
upstream, etc. Basically, you should call providers
with whom you have a relationship, and not call those
with whom you don't. If you DO call a provider with
whom you don't have a relationship, don't expect the
highest quality of service! To me, this is pretty
obvious: UUNet's policies are geared to help their
customers. Duh...
>
> Some companies are very very good at dealing with
> DDOS, Internap being one
> and UUNET if you are a customer another. Even a
> post here although maybe
> not exactly proper will get you responses from
> people like Chris and so on
> who can and will be helpful.
>
Here you are dramatically benefiting from the altruism
and general nice-guy-ness of Chris, etc.. on the UU
Security team. I'm glad that they help non-customer,
non-peers, but I'd have to call it going "above and
beyond".
just my $.0158 (adjusted for inflation)
=====
David Barak
-fully RFC 1925 compliant-
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