[58115] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Re[2]: The in-your-face hijacking example, was: Re: Who is announcing bogons?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Granados)
Thu May 1 02:21:33 2003
From: "Scott Granados" <scott@wworks.net>
To: <emil@atrivo.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:20:54 -0700
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
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I would also like to state on Emil's behalf that from what I know as one =
of his providers that seems to be a true story. I assigned and swipped =
him ip space which he has used and I have never gotten one spam =
complaint from the space we assigned him.
I have had a couple port scanning complaints however Emil himself has =
told me to null these blocks and notify him shutting them down first and =
dealing with the issue in a more controled way. Emil has on many =
occasions restarted machines or helped with server work in the colos we =
occupy together and I'm glad to have him as a customer. If again =
someone out there has documented proof that these blocks are stolen =
please present them to me on or off list I'll be glad to react =
appropriately. I'll also publically offer here to assist Emil in =
obtaining a direct allocation which would be entirely new if he wishes =
that may put this matter to bed as well. I definitely appreciate input =
from everyone however this is the first time I'd ever been presented =
with a case like this. So I'm learning and if anyone disagrees with me =
please tell me. I'm always up for discussion and know there are many on =
this list far more qualified and experienced than my self. I'm quite =
certain that this has gone way way off topic however so I'll stop here =
and hopefully we can get back to more operational discussions.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: emil@atrivo.com=20
To: nanog@merit.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: The in-your-face hijacking example, was: Re: Who =
is announcing bogons?
Hello Everyone,
Let's see if we can clarify this once and for all. ISD owner was a =
good friend of mine and helped me when I ran a computer store. Without =
him I couldn't run the store and over the years I have repaid him for =
his contributions. A few years ago I closed the computer store and =
started Atrivo. At first we acquired /24's direct from the providers =
themselves and was statically routing everything. We did this for a few =
years until recently when we upgrade our routers and decided to BGP. We =
have grown to the point that we have to prepare for the future. =20
After discussing our expansion plans to Rob, I came to find out that =
he did posses a /16 which his now defunct company wasn't using anymore. =
From that point I found out what it would take from Arin to have us use =
the space. We followed all the steps that Arin had told us to do. We =
of course wanted to update contact information to reflect the new change =
and so we can respond to any issues that may arrive running a ISP.
All our providers and vendors know us as a respectable company. There =
is nothing wrong that we have done and all this witch hunting is unjust =
and unfair. Might I mention that Spews, SpamHaus or anyone that has =
made these claims has not even attempted to give me a call. I have even =
tried to make arrangements to meet up at the colo and to show anyone =
that we are for real. Of course this has been always declined.
Well I don't know how much this will help, since it's seems that no =
matter what I offer or do is just not enough. Maybe I have to give my =
DNA just to prove who I am?
Thanks!
Atrivo - Web Innovation
Emil Kacperski
Phone: 925-550-3947
E-mail: emil@atrivo.com
ICQ: 23531098
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would also like to state on Emil's behalf that =
from what I=20
know as one of his providers that seems to be a true story. I =
assigned and=20
swipped him ip space which he has used and I have never gotten one spam=20
complaint from the space we assigned him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have had a couple port scanning complaints however =
Emil=20
himself has told me to null these blocks and notify him shutting them =
down first=20
and dealing with the issue in a more controled way. Emil has on =
many=20
occasions restarted machines or helped with server work in the colos we =
occupy=20
together and I'm glad to have him as a customer. If again someone =
out=20
there has documented proof that these blocks are stolen please present =
them to=20
me on or off list I'll be glad to react appropriately. I'll also=20
publically offer here to assist Emil in obtaining a direct allocation =
which=20
would be entirely new if he wishes that may put this matter to bed as=20
well. I definitely appreciate input from everyone however this is =
the=20
first time I'd ever been presented with a case like this. So I'm =
learning=20
and if anyone disagrees with me please tell me. I'm always =
up for=20
discussion and know there are many on this list far more qualified and=20
experienced than my self. I'm quite certain that this has gone way =
way off=20
topic however so I'll stop here and hopefully we can get back to more=20
operational discussions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=3Demil@atrivo.com =
href=3D"mailto:emil@atrivo.com">emil@atrivo.com</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnanog@merit.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 30, 2003 =
10:42=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Re[2]: The =
in-your-face=20
hijacking example, was: Re: Who is announcing bogons?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello Everyone,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Let's see if we can clarify this once and for =
all. ISD=20
owner was a good friend of mine and helped me when I ran a computer=20
store. Without him I couldn't run the store and over the years I =
have=20
repaid him for his contributions. A few years ago I closed the =
computer=20
store and started Atrivo. At first we acquired /24's direct from =
the=20
providers themselves and was statically routing everything. We =
did this=20
for a few years until recently when we upgrade our routers and decided =
to=20
BGP. We have grown to the point that we have to prepare for the=20
future. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>After discussing our expansion plans to Rob, I =
came to find=20
out that he did posses a /16 which his now defunct company wasn't =
using=20
anymore. From that point I found out what it would take from =
Arin to=20
have us use the space. We followed all the steps that Arin had =
told us=20
to do. We of course wanted to update contact information to =
reflect the=20
new change and so we can respond to any issues that may arrive =
running a=20
ISP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>All our providers and vendors know us as a =
respectable=20
company. There is nothing wrong that we have done and all this =
witch=20
hunting is unjust and unfair. Might I mention that Spews, =
SpamHaus or=20
anyone that has made these claims has not even attempted to give me a=20
call. I have even tried to make arrangements to meet up at the =
colo and=20
to show anyone that we are for real. Of course this has been =
always=20
declined.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well I don't know how much this will help, since =
it's seems=20
that no matter what I offer or do is just not enough. Maybe I =
have to=20
give my DNA just to prove who I am?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Atrivo - Web Innovation<BR>Emil=20
Kacperski<BR>Phone: 925-550-3947<BR>E-mail: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:emil@atrivo.com">emil@atrivo.com</A><BR>ICQ:=20
23531098</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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