[58085] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Market-based address allocation
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven M. Bellovin)
Wed Apr 30 16:49:10 2003
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@research.att.com>
To: Jack Bates <jbates@brightok.net>
Cc: Bill Nickless <nickless@mcs.anl.gov>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:43:17 CDT."
<3EB03565.1040202@brightok.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:45:29 -0400
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
In message <3EB03565.1040202@brightok.net>, Jack Bates writes:
>
>Bill Nickless wrote:
>
>>
>> As a thought experiment, think of how the IPv4 addressing situation
>> (bogon advertisements, allocations, explosion of routing table sizes,
>> etc) would be different if the IP community treated IP addresses as a
>> commodity.
>
>Actually, your entire argument starts off very poorly. You are stating
>that IP addresses should be treated as a commodity, yet what you are
>really trying to state is that routing advertisements should be treated
>as a commodity. These are two different concepts. If we pay for IP
>addresses, there's still nothing to keep us from advertising longer
>prefixes. If we pay for advertisements, large providers will just work
>it into their peering agreements and then collect money from their
>customers for their adverts.You'd also have to figure out who pays who?
>Do I get paid for every route sent to me? I usually have 120,000+ routes
>sitting in my router. Please send me my money.
>
>If you aren't refering to advertisements, then bogon advertisements,
>hijackings, and route table explosions will still be an issue. Without
>mandating necessity, I'd also point out that there would no longer be
>IPv4 address space available except at outrageous prices for smaller
>networks that wish to multi-home and have their own netblocks.
>
>-Jack
>
>
See http://www.research.att.com/~smb/papers/piara/index.html for a
paper on the subject. (We held a BoF at the IETF many years ago; there
was sufficient pushback that we didn't pursue the question.)
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me)
http://www.wilyhacker.com (2nd edition of "Firewalls" book)
