[58021] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen J. Wilcox)
Tue Apr 29 11:19:30 2003
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:18:51 +0100 (BST)
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
To: Daniel Golding <dgold@FDFNet.Net>
Cc: "Temkin, David" <temkin@sig.com>,
'Stephen Sprunk' <stephen@sprunk.org>,
Kai Schlichting <kai@pac-rim.net>,
North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20030429094952.C11750-100000@paradox.fdfnet.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Daniel Golding wrote:
> And in the event the owner can't be contacted? And if contact is
Figure out a plan B..
> successful, and the owner says "I'm just holding on to it because I like
Request they conform to the new administration
> have 10 /24s" or, worse, he gets the clue and just starts advertising the
> space, without using it? Then we have both address space waste and routing
Again, work out a plan and request they conform..
These are actions you can develop plans for, and whatever happens you increase
your knowledge and remove a little more of the unknown swamp..
Steve
> table bloat...
>
> - dan
>
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
>
> > [Should non-routed addresses be revoked?]
> >
> > No, but they should be watched to see if they remain unrouted and then
> > try to contact the owner..
> >
> > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Temkin, David wrote:
> >
> > > And something else a lot of people tend to forget - just because space isn't
> > > in the tables doesn't mean it's not in use.
> >
> > Something of a waste?
> >
> > > There are companies that connect to thousands of other companies (see the
> > > financial markets) that require unique addressing between companies with
> > > non-colliding address ranges. 10.x.x.x doesn't quite cut it.
> >
> > Why not? 16 million addresses arent enough? (and thats only 10/8)
> >
> > RFC1918 does suggest non-public intra-company networks use private space.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -DT
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stephen Sprunk [mailto:stephen@sprunk.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:01 PM
> > > To: Daniel Golding; Kai Schlichting
> > > Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes
> > > Subject: Re: Get as much IP space as you ever dreamed of, was: Re: Looking
> > > to buy IPv4 addresses from class C swamp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <dgold@FDFNet.Net>
> > > > ARIN needs to repo any space that has [not] been advertised for a
> > > > reasonable length of time, and reissue it.
> > >
> > > So you're claiming that ARIN should revoke any allocations, including those
> > > made before it came into existence, simply because the addresses aren't in
> > > the global tables?
> > >
> > > If that's the position of the community, that's a drastic change from
> > > assertions made in the IETF WGs and may affect address allocation guidelines
> > > and even some protocol work.
> > >
> > > S
> > >
> > > Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
> > > CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
> > > K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
> > >
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