[5796] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Provider credibility - does it matter? was Re: Inter-provider
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter Lothberg)
Sun Oct 27 02:58:32 1996
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 2:10:27 MET
From: Peter Lothberg <roll@Stupi.SE>
To: "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs@bifrost.seastrom.com>
Cc: jdd@vbc.net, azeem@dial.pipex.com, avg@quake.net, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT)
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:44:51 +0100 (BST)
> From: Jim Dixon <jdd@vbc.net>
>
> Not at all necessarily correct. We are a UK backbone provider. We carry
> much of our traffic 6000 miles to California over very expensive Atlantic
> circuits, where we pass it off to American providers, who use very cheap
> and much shorter US links. We ship about 5% more traffic to the USA than
> we get back. So on balance we are subsidizing the US Internet:
>
> * we pay more to carry the packets
> * we give more than we receive
>
> Before you go making statements like that, please answer the following
> questions:
>
> 1) How many US ISP's customers would notice if vbc.net fell off the
> net?
>
> 2) How many of vbc.net's customers would notice if the USA fell off
> the net?
>
> You're welcome to stop subsidizing the US Internet any time you
> please. And be sure to put a note in your trouble ticket system
> reminding your customers not to let the doorknob hit them in the ass
> on the way out the door...
>
> If I live more than a mile and a half or so from a central office,
> installation of a T1 will require a special engineering fee. Unlike
> you, I'm not cheeky enough to assert that my unfortunate location
> represents a subsidy to the US Internet.
>
> ---Rob
>
>
I have a suggestion;
Take the BB-cost of the foreign provider, include the trans-
oceanic link, add this to the BB-cost of the US peer and
divide the sum equally.
--Peter
