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Re: [Fwd: FC: Email a RoadRunner address, get scanned by their

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (jlewis@lewis.org)
Fri Mar 14 23:51:55 2003

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:48:44 -0500 (EST)
From: jlewis@lewis.org
To: Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu>
Cc: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com>,
	North American Network Operators Group <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <3E72ADC2.6000607@utc.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu


On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Jeff Kell wrote:

> > Basically, RoadRunner tried to spam themselves using my server.  I mailed 
> > abuse@rr.com about this, and received a canned response, enclosed.
> > 
> > Under their logic, I feel entitled to poke and prod their customers, just 
> > to make sure they don't spam me.  Is that fair?  I promise to provide an 
> > opt-out if anyone complains.
> 
> Oh no, they'll bitch, at great length.  This was recently discussed on 
> SPAM-L ( http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=SPAM-L ).

Actually, if you go a few rounds with Mr. Herrick of rr.com, and explain 
that you want to do the same sort of testing under the same ground rules 
as security.rr.com, I think you'll find that he will not object.
 
It is quite ironic (perhaps a sign of how bad the problem of spam on the 
internet has gotten) that rr.com has decided to emulate those that they 
have attacked in the past.

I suspect we've gotten to the point now that there are more open proxies 
than open relays on the net, and it seems the proxies are more heavily 
abused.
 
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