[55215] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Level3 routing issues?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen J. Wilcox)
Sat Jan 25 19:57:05 2003
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:08:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@telecomplete.co.uk>
To: Alex Rubenstein <alex@nac.net>
Cc: Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net>,
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>,
"nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0301251143470.2592-100000@when.hq.nac.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
>
> > > Somebody remind me why Microsoft is still allowed to exist?
> >
> > Dunno, arent they negligent?
> >
> > In any other industry a fundemental flaw would be met with lawsuits, in the
> > computer world tho people seem to get around for some reason.
>
> Including the developers of SSHD, HTTPD, NAMED, CVS?
>
> How about Linus? Wanna call him up?
Not sure you can claim something you have for free is liable or with guarantee
> I am no windows cheerleader, but to think this is something that happens
> only in windows-land is whack -- might as well put your head in the sand.
True altho it does appear to affect MS more so than it ought to even considering
their market lead.
> Simple philosophy: Everything sucks at all times and all places. Routers,
> switches, hosts, OS's. We, as operators, have to do our best to deal.
I expect my purchases to live up to their sales description
> It's arguable you are as liable as anyone else, since this particular
> exploit is 'old news' and a patch has been available for it for some time.
I'm not hit, its my customers!
> Also; everyone who just posted to this list made it abundantly clear that
> they don't have a firewall in front of at least one MS SQL server on their
> network. Should you really have port 1433/4 open to the world? Would you
> do this with a MySql server?
Yes, thats bad.. people should be more clueful than they are, I blame folks
being cheap, having staff who are clueless, low quality equipment, this is the
market we're in.
Steve
