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Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Diaz)
Wed Nov 27 08:21:13 2002

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:20:41 -0500
To: Irwin Lazar <ILazar@burtongroup.com>, nanog@merit.edu
From: David Diaz <davediaz@smoton.net>
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I think this is old news.  There was a cover story back in 1996 time 
frame on  Mae_east.  We have to ask how likely is this with many of 
the top backbones doing private peering over local loops, how much 
damage would occur if an exchange point where hit?

I have 2 different questions.  1) In the current environment, are 
peering circuits running fuller then in previous years.  I ask after 
there has been questions on UUNET/L3 Capacity in europe etc.  If the 
case is so, then an attack in one peering location/region might cause 
major problems as other peering sessions become overloaded.

2)  Wouldnt an attach on particular servers that are NOT redundant 
have a more significant affect?  Are microsoft's servers mirrored?

Just posing a scenario.

Thought this might be worth passing on:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2514651.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2514651.stm

There is a recent book out called "Linked: The New Science of 
Networks" which details the potential for causing widespread Internet 
damage by targeting a few hubs instead of random or widespread 
attacks against large numbers of hosts.  This simulation seems to 
backup the author's concerns.

Irwin


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<div>I think this is old news.&nbsp; There was a cover story back in
1996 time frame on&nbsp; Mae_east.&nbsp; We have to ask how likely is
this with many of the top backbones doing private peering over local
loops, how much damage would occur if an exchange point where
hit?</div>
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<div>I have 2 different questions.&nbsp; 1) In the current
environment, are peering circuits running fuller then in previous
years.&nbsp; I ask after there has been questions on UUNET/L3 Capacity
in europe etc.&nbsp; If the case is so, then an attack in one peering
location/region might cause major problems as other peering sessions
become overloaded.</div>
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<div>2)&nbsp; Wouldnt an attach on particular servers that are NOT
redundant have a more significant affect?&nbsp; Are microsoft's
servers mirrored?</div>
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<div>Just posing a scenario.</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Thought this might be worth passing
on:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">There is a recent book out called
&quot;Linked: The New Science of Networks&quot; which details the
potential for causing widespread Internet damage by targeting a few
hubs instead of random or widespread attacks against large numbers of
hosts.&nbsp; This simulation seems to backup the author's
concerns.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Irwin</font></div>
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dave@smoton.net [Email]<br>
pagedave@smoton.net [Pager]<br>
www.smoton.net [Peering Site under development]<br>
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