[53641] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Barry Shein)
Tue Nov 19 17:00:10 2002
From: Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:54:21 -0500
To: blitz <blitz@macronet.net>
Cc: Brett Frankenberger <rbf@rbfnet.com>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119130448.00a77270@mail.macronet.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Before we get too, too, smug about this if you view the Manhattan
skyline, particularly downtown (e.g., SOHO/Tribeca) you'll see
house-sized water tanks on many, many buildings, particularly 3-10
story older buildings. I assume due to inadequate water pressure but I
honestly don't know why they're there, but they're all over.
I don't know if they're quite large enough for the proposed use, but
their existence would seem to defy most of the objections asserted
below.
On November 19, 2002 at 13:43 blitz@macronet.net (blitz) wrote:
>
> One last addition to this idiotic water idea.. since the water doesn't get
> up there to the reservoir on the roof by itself, add your costs of huge
> pumps, plus the cost of pumping it up there, and a less than 100%
> efficiency in converting falling water to electricity. Also, add heating it
> in the winter to keep it liquid instead of solid, decontamination chemicals
> (cant have any Leigonella bacillus growing in there in the summer) Its all
> moot, as the weight factor makes this a non-starter.
>
>
> Next:
>
> You cant store large amounts of propane inside an occupied building, I cant
> imagine any FD allowing it. We had an example in a nearby city some years
> ago, a 500 gallon propane tank leaked and exploded inside a brick
> building, leveled a city block and killed 12 firefighters. Nahh...
>
> Fuel cells, run on natural gas are the best idea I've heard to date, and
> the safest if you're confined to upper floors, but youre talking BIG $$$
> here...whats wrong with batteries, a natural gas genny and a converter
> system, telco style? If this is all about diesel storage, why not put the
> tanks/gennys in the basement or lower more secure floors? (Im assuming
> burial is out of the question in NYC) That way a small day tank would
> suffice at the upper floors.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> >Now, figure out how many kw you need to run a telecom hotel, and you'll
> >know just how large your tank needs to be (and how much weight the
> >building structure is going to have to support). Even if you assume
> >100% efficiency, the tank is still going to me, um, rather largish.
> >
> > -- Brett
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