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RE: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds the address
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (James Smith)
Tue Nov 19 12:50:06 2002
From: James Smith <jsmith@PRESIDIO.com>
To: "'nanog@merit.edu'" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:48:25 -0500
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IIRC, the tanker used to refuel the SR-71 Blackbird had separate tanks for
JP-4 (for itself) and JP-3 (for the Blackbird)...
James H. Smith
ex-SAC KC-135 fixer-upper
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Rowland [mailto:alan_r1@corp.earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:38 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: OT: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds the address
Actually, there are different grades of jet fuel as well as diesel. JP4
is 'common' but JP3 also has the characteristic of extinguishing fires
and requires an accelerant to ignite. It was used in SR-71s among
others.
Best regards,
______________________________
Al Rowland
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:28 AM
To: Johannes Ullrich
Cc: Sean Donelan; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address
Diesel can even exstinguish flame in some cases. It is a much different
anamal than aircraft fuel.
There are concerns yes but not a good compairison.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Johannes Ullrich wrote:
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> > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/19/nyregion/19FUEL.html
> ...
> > While almost everyone on this list knows which building is the
> > subject of the article, we can discuss the issue without discussing
> > the particular building.
> >
> > On-site fuel storage is one of those double-edge swords.
>
> The article is comparing the relatively 'inert' diesel fuel to the
> aircraft fuel that caused the devastation at the WTC. Did the authors
> of this article ever hear about heating oil tanks?
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>IIRC, the tanker used to refuel the SR-71 Blackbird =
had separate tanks for JP-4 (for itself) and JP-3 (for the =
Blackbird)...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>James H. Smith</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ex-SAC KC-135 fixer-upper</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Al Rowland [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:alan_r1@corp.earthlink.net">mailto:alan_r1@corp.earthlink=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:38 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: OT: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds =
the address</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actually, there are different grades of jet fuel as =
well as diesel. JP4</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is 'common' but JP3 also has the characteristic of =
extinguishing fires</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and requires an accelerant to ignite. It was used in =
SR-71s among</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>others.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Best regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>______________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Al Rowland</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu">mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu</A>] =
On Behalf Of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Scott Granados</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:28 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Johannes Ullrich</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: Sean Donelan; nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Even the New York Times withholds the =
address</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Diesel can even exstinguish flame in some =
cases. It is a much different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>anamal than aircraft fuel.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There are concerns yes but not a good =
compairison.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Johannes Ullrich wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/19/nyregion/19FUEL.html" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/19/nyregion/19FUEL.html=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > While almost everyone on this list knows =
which building is the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > subject of the article, we can discuss the =
issue without discussing </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the particular building.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > On-site fuel storage is one of those =
double-edge swords.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The article is comparing the relatively 'inert' =
diesel fuel to the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> aircraft fuel that caused the devastation at =
the WTC. Did the authors </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of this article ever hear about heating oil =
tanks?</FONT>
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