[51571] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Knowles)
Thu Aug 29 18:42:36 2002
In-Reply-To: <000e01c24f42$09a46600$534510ac@cyan>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:47:46 +0200
To: "Jeroen Massar" <jeroen@unfix.org>
From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Cc: "'Barry Shein'" <bzs@world.std.com>,
"'Paul Vixie'" <paul@vix.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
At 11:54 AM +0200 2002/08/29, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> But as long as you live that's better than letting them have their ways
> now is it.
It's still the death of a thousand cuts. Yes, it buys us time,
but we have to use that time wisely to get real socio-legal
solutions. And we have to get people to agree that the only thing it
really does is buy us time, so that we can get real socio-legal
solutions faster -- hopefully, in time to save the patient.
> Now stop the anal-ogies and come up with something that will _stop_ the
> crackdealing.
I could say the same to you.
>> b) A few weeks ago I counted over 200 open relays simultaneously
>> spewing the same spam at us.
>
> Thats where RBL's are for, they close them up, if you had used an RBL
> your box would simply deny those relays at all, block them IP based and
> bingo no spewing from them.
That's assuming that all those open relays were on one of the
blacklists. Even then, they'd still hammer his machines with
connections.
>> Because sooner or later you can't see out the grated windows any more
>> or get some air through them, and you're afraid to go outside...
>
> Never been in the city (those places where more than 100k people live)
> now have you ?
Yeah, I have. Those people still leave their apartments on occasion.
--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
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