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Re: $400 million network upgrade for the Pentagon

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Knowles)
Thu Aug 15 19:31:34 2002

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 <Pine.LNX.4.33.0208142034130.9102-100000@penguin.graphidelix.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:02:54 +0200
To: Scott Granados <scott@graphidelix.net>,
	David Lesher <wb8foz@nrk.com>
From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@merit.edu>
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At 8:36 PM -0700 2002/08/14, Scott Granados wrote:

>                                                          Can the nsa for
>  example listen in somehow to  eering points or other such common areas
>  and observe things that interest them?

	Yup.  Google for "ECHELON" and read the lengthy report that was 
prepared for the government of the European Union.

>                                       I know the answer in the voice
>  network is yes but that's technically easier.  On the ip network that
>  would seem to be m uch more difficult.

	Not for the NSA.  Indeed, voice has to be converted to data in 
order to go through the search algorithms, so it's actually a lot 
easier to just search data that doesn't have to first be converted.

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