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Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Knowles)
Sat Jul 27 16:44:48 2002

In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207271518540.11633-100000@ford.richweb.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:32:33 +0200
To: "C. Jon Larsen" <jlarsen@richweb.com>,
	Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Cc: Andy Dills <andy@xecu.net>, Ralph Doncaster <ralph@istop.com>,
	Joe Provo <joe.provo@rcn.com>, "nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu


At 3:51 PM -0400 2002/07/27, C. Jon Larsen wrote:

>  But with only 1 ISP link in each city (1 upstream) if he ever loses the
>  link between the two cities, he has a problem, as there is no way to
>  transfer traffic bound for city1 that enters city2's connection, and vice
>  versa.

	I think he has already explained that it is not possible for him 
to buy bandwidth from both providers in both cities.  Therefore, your 
proposed solution is impossible.

>  Again, one needs to engineer ones network to work around one's own
>  failures. I.e. ask or expect don't push routes into other people's tables
>  because you are too cheap to buy a backup pipe, or too lazy to config a
>  gre tunnel.

	IIRC, he has also already explained that he already has a backup 
pipe between the two sites.  However, because he can't buy bandwidth 
from both providers in both cities, this obviously is only part of 
the equation.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

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