[48514] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen J. Wilcox)
Thu Jun 6 11:06:14 2002
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:59:49 +0100 (BST)
From: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@opaltelecom.co.uk>
To: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.Nether.net>
Cc: "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold.nipper@de-cix.net>,
Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok@gatel.net>,
Sabine Dolderer/Denic <dolderer@denic.de>,
apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net, apops@lists.apnic.net, ddiaz@ripe.net,
joao@ripe.net, lir-wg@ripe.net, nanog@merit.edu, randy@psg.com,
routing-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net
In-Reply-To: <20020606141634.GC6350@puck.nether.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Indeed, for example k.root-servers.net is hosted at LINX and is reachable
globally by this kind of setup..
Steve
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Jared Mauch wrote:
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> =09While a good idea, not everyone can announce or reach the
> IX fabrics that they connect to or are out there.
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> =09One solution to that problem is to have the IX operate a
> zeebra/gated/whatnot box (or router+machine combo) that
> announces a /24 and as part of connecting to the IX people
> are required to peer (and provide transit) for that /24 for
> the "good of the internet".
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> =09This would allow everyone that connects to the IX to see
> the benifits of having a close (to their network that is) dns server
> as well as if my provider does not announce the DE-CIX, LINX, mae-e, mae-=
w,
> paix, nyiix, or whatever space to me, i can still reach a server
> placed at the IX via their network or via their peers/upstreams.
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> =09- Jared
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> http://puck.nether.net/dns/
> (very rough ui)
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> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:07:09PM +0200, Nipper, Arnold wrote:
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> > As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good =
idea
> > to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable th=
an
> > any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
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> > Comments?
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> > Arnold
> > --
> > Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange
> > email: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net
> > mobile: +49 172 2650958
> > handle: an6695-ripe
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de>
> > To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net>
> > Cc: <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; <apops@lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz@ripe.=
net>;
> > <joao@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <randy@psg.com>;
> > <routing-wg@ripe.net>; <tech-l@ams-ix.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> > Hello,
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> > DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some
> > other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer
> > secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of
> > security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to r=
un
> > on a single machine.
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> > Sabine
> >=20
> > --
> > Sabine Dolderer
> > DENIC eG
> > Wiesenh=FCttenplatz 26
> > D-60329 Frankfurt
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> > eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@denic.de
> > Fon: +49 69 27235 0
> > Fax: +49 69 27235 235
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> >=20
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> > Jan-Ahrent
> > Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas
> > <joao@ripe.net>
> > <czmok@gatel. Kopie: randy@psg.com,
> > ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net,
> > net> lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix=
=2Enet,
> > apops@lists.apnic.net,
> > Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu,
> > apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net
> > owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net
> > server.
> > ripe.net
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> > 06.06.2002
> > 01:29
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> > PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37
> > $MessageID: <20020606012937.2c476312.czmok@gatel.net>
> > From: owner-lir-wg@ripe.net
> > SendTo: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net>
> > CopyTo:
> > randy@psg.com;ddiaz@ripe.net;routing-wg@ripe.net;lir-wg@ripe.net;tech-l=
@ams-
> > ix.net;apops@lists.apnic.net;nanog@merit.edu;apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net
> >=20
> > Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> > PRINCIPAL: Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok@gatel.net>
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> > WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200
> > Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
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> > >
> > > At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > > > Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility
> > > >> of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in
> > > >> agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this
> > > >> server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
> > > >
> > > >nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both
> > > >to get diversity.
> > >
> > > Hi Randy,
> > >
> > > there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both
> > > secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a
> > > new host as soon as possible.
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> > Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
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> > probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary
> > server for the ccTLDs.
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> > The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the
> > secondary
> > server.
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> > We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
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> > > The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since
> > > ns.eu.net will keep running.
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> > Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
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> > >
> > > We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that
> > > we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
> > >
> > > The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable
> > > people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of
> > > having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of
> > > events.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
> > >
> > > Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
> > >
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> > right. it's not panic.
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> > --jan
> >=20
> > --
> > Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks
> > Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfur=
t
> > voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
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