[48500] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniska Tomas)
Thu Jun 6 10:14:51 2002
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:13:08 +0200
From: "Daniska Tomas" <tomas@tronet.com>
To: "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold.nipper@de-cix.net>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
how would you guarantee connectivity?
should each isp present should provide bandwidth as part of collocation =
expenses?
should the opexes be included in the colo bill?
and then - this would probably make the colo becoming a connectivity =
provider, wouldn't it?
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Tomas Daniska
systems engineer
Tronet Computer Networks
Plynarenska 5, 829 75 Bratislava, Slovakia
tel: +421 2 58224111, fax: +421 2 58224199
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A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by =
blowing first.
> -----Original Message-----
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> ddiaz@ripe.net; joao@ripe.net; lir-wg@ripe.net;=20
> nanog@merit.edu; randy@psg.com; routing-wg@ripe.net; tech-l@ams-ix.net
> Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be=20
> it's a good idea
> to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more=20
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> any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
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> Comments?
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> Arnold
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> Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de>
> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net>
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> <ddiaz@ripe.net>;
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> Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> Hello,
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> DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some
> other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer
> secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of
> security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we=20
> want to run
> on a single machine.
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> Sabine
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> Sabine Dolderer
> DENIC eG
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> D-60329 Frankfurt
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> Jan-Ahrent
> Czmok An: Joao Luis Silva Damas
> <joao@ripe.net>
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> apops@lists.apnic.net,
> Gesendet von: nanog@merit.edu,
> apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net
> owner-lir-wg@ Thema: Re: KPNQwest=20
> ns.eu.net
> server.
> ripe.net
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> WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200
> Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
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> > At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > > Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility
> > >> of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in
> > >> agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this
> > >> server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
> > >
> > >nice emergency hack and sorry to whine. but i used them both
> > >to get diversity.
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> > Hi Randy,
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> > there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both
> > secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a
> > new host as soon as possible.
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> Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
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> probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary
> server for the ccTLDs.
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> The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the
> secondary
> server.
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> We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack=20
> space as well.
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> > The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since
> > ns.eu.net will keep running.
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> Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
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> >
> > We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that
> > we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
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> > The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable
> > people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of
> > having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of
> > events.
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> > >
> > >when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
> >
> > Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
> >
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> right. it's not panic.
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> --jan
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> --
> Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks
> Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 -=20
> 60313 Frankfurt
> voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email:=20
> czmok@gatel.de
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