[47923] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Interconnects
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Granados)
Sat May 18 17:05:56 2002
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Granados <scott@graphidelix.net>
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
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One thing to remember with New York in general. I have personal
experience with dealing with pulling both copper and fiber in NY and its
not just technical. Although there are huge problems with pulling new
services and fiber on a technical level. Remember that most of the
facilities were deployed in the 20's and 30's. Also a large problem is
it was my experience pay-offs and some limited bribes were required to
have linemen complete their work. A practical example of this was a t1
which I was told would take 3 months to install, after some palms were
greaced dropped to 2.5 weeks. New York is a different animal all
tgether.
On 17 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
>
> > Actually, doesn't MFN usually outsource this to Bechtel, Keyspan
> > Communications and others? :)
>
> I don't know. It wouldn't change my position on the subject, which is
> that it's their fiber, and in NYC it's a large and complex plant, and
> they've got people working on the PAIX/NYIIX path who know a lot more
> about fiber in general AND this plant in particular than I do.
>
