[47462] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: anybody else been spammed by "no-ip.com" yet?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robert E. Seastrom)
Sat May 4 12:57:59 2002
To: <measl@mfn.org>
Cc: Scott Granados <scott@graphidelix.net>,
Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>, nanog@merit.edu, rs@valhalla.seastrom.com
From: rs@seastrom.com (Robert E. Seastrom)
Date: 04 May 2002 12:57:25 -0400
In-Reply-To: 's message of "Sat, 4 May 2002 11:03:51 -0500 (CDT)"
Message-ID: <87sn577swa.fsf@valhalla.seastrom.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
<measl@mfn.org> writes:
> > It does not cost "very little" to recieve spam.
>
> It costs the end-user very little to recieve spam.
I'll echo Paul's comments about the cost of my time. In my case, a
half hour a day seems about right (compared to Paul's hour a day). I
suspect you may have a very different perception about the value of
your time than Paul and I have about the value of ours. I am sure
that we have customers whose time is worth a lot and whose time is
worth very little. Over half of our customers, however, are in
countries where there is a per-minute cost to being off-hook on a
dialup. They see a very direct cost to download spam, aside from the
human costs.
> Whether we like it or not however, this is a cost of doing business now, and
> is a normal part of determining your cost of goods sold (at least it *should*
> be).
Counting inventory shrinkage costs as part of the cost of doing
business at a retail establishment does not change the fact that
shoplifting is a crime.
> > Spam is theft, plain and simple.
>
> Spam is a reality that none of us, either alone or in concert, will ever be
> able to eradicate. That makes the general gnashing of teeth == tilting at
> windmills.
Your position is noted.
> Our time is probably the most expensive part of an ISPs "spam
> cleanups" budget - automating a filter system (for those who specifically ask
> for it, of course) via the purchase of services from Vixie or your favorite
> equivalent is likely to be a reasonably inexpensive alternative to having us
> spinning our wheels. <asbestos underwear in place ;->
You have incomplete information. That's all I'm going to say about it.
---Rob
