[47309] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Large ISPs doing NAT?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Francis)
Thu May 2 05:00:25 2002
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:53:20 -0700
From: Scott Francis <darkuncle@darkuncle.net>
To: Jake Khuon <khuon@NEEBU.Net>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:32:16AM -0700, khuon@NEEBU.Net said:
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> ### On Thu, 2 May 2002 01:20:40 -0700, Scott Francis
> ### <darkuncle@darkuncle.net> casually decided to expound upon Peter Bier=
man
> ### <pmb+nanog@sfgoth.com> the following thoughts about "Re: Large ISPs
> ### doing NAT?":
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> SF> The average customer buying a "web-enabled" phone doesn't need a
> SF> publicly-routeable IP. I challenge anybody to demonstrate why a cell =
phone
> SF> needs a public IP. It's a PHONE, not a server.
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> Time to start thinking a little further down the line. What if the phone
> actually becomes an wireless IP gateway router? It routes packets from a
> PAN (personal area network) riding on top of Bluetooth or 802.11{a,b} to =
the
> 3G network for transit. NAT would certainly become very messy.
*nod* NAT is a solution for current problems, in some situations. It may or
may not create more problems in the future than it solves in the present
(sign me up for one of those gateway router phones though - mmm...)
Again, while I'm not predicting what kind of network landscape we may see in
the future, NAT _does_ appear to solve problems in the present under certain
situations, and IMHO should not be dismissed out of hand just because it's
not "pure IP."
Forward thinking is critical - but those who do it at the expense of current
issues are called researchers and scientists, and generally are not running
production networks. :)
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