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RE: How to get better security people
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rowland, Alan D)
Tue Mar 26 16:28:00 2002
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From: "Rowland, Alan D" <alan_r1@corp.earthlink.net>
To: "'nanog@merit.edu'" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:25:46 -0800
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A knowledgeable investor would ask your HR department a few questions:
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1. Which half of the resume do you believe?
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2. Is it really more economical to ignore half your talent than spend a
little checking resumes?
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3. What does it say about your company's ethics that you accept that =
all
your employees are liars?
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but then you have to find that knowledgeable investor first...
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Just my 2=A2 and in similar circumstances,
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-Al
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USAF Ret.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Smith [mailto:jsmith@PRESIDIO.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:03 PM
To: 'smd@clock.org'; 'lists-nanog@silverwraith.com'; 'sean@donelan.com'
Cc: 'Jml@ebay.com'; 'nanog@merit.edu'
Subject: RE: How to get better security people
-----Original Message-----=20
From: smd@clock.org [ mailto:smd@clock.org <mailto:smd@clock.org> ]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:41 PM=20
To: lists-nanog@silverwraith.com; sean@donelan.com=20
Cc: Jml@ebay.com; nanog@merit.edu=20
Subject: RE: How to get better security people=20
| The problem right now is if you advertise for a job, you will get=20
| blasted with literally tens of thousands of resumes. What should I=20
| be telling the HR department to look for?=20
New careers.=20
Sean.=20
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That's the problem. Too many folks seeing the big money going to the =
tech
weenies, and upon taking an MCSE boot camp, think they now qualify for =
a
senior Admin/Security job. That and resume inflation, real or =
percieved. Too
much noise in the system and inefective noise reduction methods...
My resume is factual, and when I got out of the military, I was =
penalized
by my first civilian employer. When I stated I could in fact set up a =
needed
DNS, I was told they would hire it out. I asked why hire it out when I =
could
do it. I was told, "we only believe half of any resume we get, and we =
don't
think that you have the necessary experience." If setting up and =
running
<deleted>.af.mil (now gone), and doing the very first <deleted>.af.mil =
DNS
located on the base (complete with off-site secondaries), and running =
it
until transitioned about a year later to the comm squadron folks I =
trained
didn't count, then what did?
Not bitter, though. Got a new employer...=20
James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE=20
Systems Engineer=20
The Presidio Corporation=20
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knowledgeable investor would ask your HR department a few=20
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Which half of the resume do you believe?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D952122121-26032002>2. Is=20
it really more economical to ignore half your talent than spend a =
little=20
checking resumes?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D952122121-26032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D952122121-26032002>3.=20
What does it say about your company's ethics that you accept that all =
your=20
employees are liars?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D952122121-26032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
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then you have to find that knowledgeable investor =
first...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D952122121-26032002>Just=20
my 2=A2 and in similar circumstances,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D952122121-26032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D952122121-26032002>-Al</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D952122121-26032002>USAF=20
Ret.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> James Smith=20
[mailto:jsmith@PRESIDIO.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 26, 2002 =
12:03=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'smd@clock.org'; 'lists-nanog@silverwraith.com';=20
'sean@donelan.com'<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Jml@ebay.com';=20
'nanog@merit.edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: How to get better security=20
people<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>From:=20
smd@clock.org [<A =
href=3D"mailto:smd@clock.org">mailto:smd@clock.org</A>]</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:41 PM</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>To: lists-nanog@silverwraith.com; sean@donelan.com</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>Cc: Jml@ebay.com; nanog@merit.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Subject: RE:=20
How to get better security people</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>| The problem right now is if you advertise for a =
job, you=20
will get</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>| blasted with literally tens of =
thousands of=20
resumes. What should I</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>| be telling =
the HR=20
department to look for?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>New careers.</FONT> </P>
<P> <FONT =
size=3D2>Sean.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT> =
</P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>That's the problem. Too many folks seeing the big =
money going=20
to the tech weenies, and upon taking an MCSE boot camp, think they =
now qualify=20
for a senior Admin/Security job. That and resume inflation, real or =
percieved.=20
Too much noise in the system and inefective noise reduction=20
methods...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2> My resume is factual, and when I got out of =
the=20
military, I was penalized by my first civilian employer. When I =
stated I could=20
in fact set up a needed DNS, I was told they would hire it out. I =
asked why=20
hire it out when I could do it. I was told, "we only believe half of =
any=20
resume we get, and we don't think that you have the necessary =
experience." If=20
setting up and running <deleted>.af.mil (now gone), and doing =
the very=20
first <deleted>.af.mil DNS located on the base (complete with =
off-site=20
secondaries), and running it until transitioned about a year later to =
the comm=20
squadron folks I trained didn't count, then what did?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Not bitter, though. Got a new employer...</FONT> =
</P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Systems=20
Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>The Presidio Corporation</FONT>=20
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