[46386] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: How to get better security people
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (James Smith)
Tue Mar 26 15:05:31 2002
Message-ID: <171DAAD54475984F8F41345A0945DF9CCA9FA3@hqexchange.presidio.com>
From: James Smith <jsmith@PRESIDIO.com>
To: "'smd@clock.org'" <smd@clock.org>,
"'lists-nanog@silverwraith.com'" <lists-nanog@silverwraith.com>,
"'sean@donelan.com'" <sean@donelan.com>
Cc: "'Jml@ebay.com'" <Jml@ebay.com>,
"'nanog@merit.edu'" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:02:47 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: smd@clock.org [mailto:smd@clock.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:41 PM
To: lists-nanog@silverwraith.com; sean@donelan.com
Cc: Jml@ebay.com; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: How to get better security people
| The problem right now is if you advertise for a job, you will get
| blasted with literally tens of thousands of resumes. What should I
| be telling the HR department to look for?
New careers.
Sean.
=============
That's the problem. Too many folks seeing the big money going to the tech
weenies, and upon taking an MCSE boot camp, think they now qualify for a
senior Admin/Security job. That and resume inflation, real or percieved. Too
much noise in the system and inefective noise reduction methods...
My resume is factual, and when I got out of the military, I was penalized
by my first civilian employer. When I stated I could in fact set up a needed
DNS, I was told they would hire it out. I asked why hire it out when I could
do it. I was told, "we only believe half of any resume we get, and we don't
think that you have the necessary experience." If setting up and running
<deleted>.af.mil (now gone), and doing the very first <deleted>.af.mil DNS
located on the base (complete with off-site secondaries), and running it
until transitioned about a year later to the comm squadron folks I trained
didn't count, then what did?
Not bitter, though. Got a new employer...
James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE
Systems Engineer
The Presidio Corporation
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: smd@clock.org [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:smd@clock.org">mailto:smd@clock.org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:41 PM</FONT>
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sean@donelan.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: Jml@ebay.com; nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: How to get better security =
people</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>| The problem right now is if you advertise for a =
job, you will get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>| blasted with literally tens of thousands of =
resumes. What should I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>| be telling the HR department to look for?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>New careers.</FONT>
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SIZE=3D2>Sean.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That's the problem. Too many folks seeing the big =
money going to the tech weenies, and upon taking an MCSE boot camp, =
think they now qualify for a senior Admin/Security job. That and resume =
inflation, real or percieved. Too much noise in the system and =
inefective noise reduction methods...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> My resume is factual, and when I got out of =
the military, I was penalized by my first civilian employer. When I =
stated I could in fact set up a needed DNS, I was told they would hire =
it out. I asked why hire it out when I could do it. I was told, =
"we only believe half of any resume we get, and we don't think =
that you have the necessary experience." If setting up and running =
<deleted>.af.mil (now gone), and doing the very first =
<deleted>.af.mil DNS located on the base (complete with off-site =
secondaries), and running it until transitioned about a year later to =
the comm squadron folks I trained didn't count, then what =
did?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Not bitter, though. Got a new employer...</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Systems Engineer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Presidio Corporation</FONT>
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