[45519] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Reducing Usenet Bandwidth
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rowland, Alan D)
Mon Feb 4 13:10:32 2002
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From: "Rowland, Alan D" <alan_r1@corp.earthlink.net>
To: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:08:53 -0800
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Most (reputable American) ISPs are signatories to the DMCA (Digital
Millenium Copyright Act). Not lawsuit necessary, just notification.
-Al
Just my 2=A2, feel free to use your delete key.
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall@ihug.co.nz]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:47 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Reducing Usenet Bandwidth
On 3 Feb 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
> Pull it, rather than pushing it. nntpcache is a localized example of =
how
[...]
Proposed by someone every couple of months for the last 10 years (at
least). The current software (diablo especially) even supports it to a
good extent, however nobody is doing it for some reason.
> Pushing netnews, with or without multicast, with or without binaries, =
is
> just unthinkable at today's volumes but we do it anyway. The effect =
of
> increased volume have decreased the utilization of netnews as a media
> amongst my various friends.
Totally wrong on the non-binaries feed bit. A non-binaries feed is =
around
1-2GB per day or 100-200kb/s which is below the noise level for anyone =
on
this list. Even on the semi 3rd world wages I make I could afford a
non-binaries feed to my house and archive it for less than I spend on
lunches.
Binaries on the other hand is completely different, most people can't
afford it and we are moving to a centralized model with the supernews
types companies being the only ones with full feeds out there.
I am really surprised that the RIAA and similar groups havn't "gone =
after"
usenet to any great degree yet. I can't really see how binaries =
newsgroups
different in any great extent (from the copyright angle) from your =
random
p2p network.
Once a few lawsuits are issued (does the ISC count as a distributor?)
against the dozen or so top news providers things could be quite
interesting.
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