[43963] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: FBI is at it again
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Golding)
Mon Oct 29 13:18:15 2001
From: "Daniel Golding" <dgolding@sockeye.com>
To: "Larry Diffey" <ldiffey@technologyforward.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:16:58 -0500
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Larry,
Are you kidding? The problems with this are numerous. First, the source is
Fox News, which is about a half step up from the Drudge Report. Secondly,
what is the basis for believing that this is even possible? I am unaware of
any technology that would allow all internet traffic to be proxied through a
single location.
Finally, your assetion that you should stop before saying something that
will get you arrested is an interesting one. Larry - nothing you can say,
short of threatening people or yelling fire in a crowded theater will get
you arrested.
Thank you for your opinion, and be sure to wear your tinfoil hat, when
walking outdoors...
- Daniel Golding
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
Larry Diffey
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:13 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: FBI is at it again
Per the following article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37203,00.html it appears as if the FBI
now wants to route ALL Internet traffic through it's central servers!!!!
What gall!! What nerve!!!!
Now, for all of you who said, "Hey, I'm not doing anything wrong, let the
FBI monitor what it wants to." can go shove hot spikes up your nose.
I don't think the FBI really wants to control the Internet, they want to
destabilize it. As tyranny approaches the only thing more dangerous than an
armed populace is an informed one. If they can monitor all the traffic,
they can certainly control it.
The ISP's (whatever those are) need to collectively tell the FBI to go
jump off a bridge. Information campaigns need to be sent to the customers
to alert them of the potential loss of civil liberties.
I'm gonna stop before I say something that will get me arrested.
Regards,
Larry Diffey
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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you kidding? The problems with this are numerous. First, the source is =
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location.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D042390818-29102001>Finally, your assetion that you should stop =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D042390818-29102001>Thank=20
you for your opinion, and be sure to wear your tinfoil hat, when walking =
outdoors...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D042390818-29102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Daniel Golding</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
owner-nanog@merit.edu=20
[mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Larry =
Diffey<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
nanog@merit.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> FBI is at it =
again<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Per the following article: <A=20
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href=3D"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37203,00.html">http://www.fox=
news.com/story/0,2933,37203,00.html</A> it=20
appears as if the FBI now wants to route ALL Internet traffic through =
it's=20
central servers!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What gall!! What nerve!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Now, for all of you who said, "Hey, I'm not doing =
anything=20
wrong, let the FBI monitor what it wants to." can go shove hot spikes =
up your=20
nose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't think the FBI really wants to control=20
the Internet, they want to destabilize it. As tyranny=20
approaches the only thing more dangerous than an armed populace is an =
informed=20
one. If they can monitor all the traffic, they can certainly =
control=20
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The ISP's (whatever those are) need to =
collectively tell the=20
FBI to go jump off a bridge. Information campaigns need to be =
sent to=20
the customers to alert them of the potential loss of civil=20
liberties.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm gonna stop before I say something that will =
get me=20
arrested.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR>Larry =
Diffey</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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