[43941] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John M . Brown)
Sun Oct 28 18:47:29 2001
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:53:24 -0800
From: "John M . Brown" <jmbrown@ihighway.net>
To: nanog@merit.edu
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In-Reply-To: <20011028182643.A88828@ussenterprise.ufp.org>; from bicknell@ufp.org on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 06:26:43PM -0500
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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 06:26:43PM -0500, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 03:08:36PM -0800, Paul Vixie wrote:
> > So this now boils down to "if the sender and receiver of a packet/session/etc
> > are both interested in having it take place, then noone in the middle shall be
> > allowed to deliberately prevent this from occuring."
>
> Yes, i would think so. If both parties want it, and both pay for
> their part, no one should interfear in the middle.
Sure, but the sender of a SPAM message selling kiddie porn, VIAGRA, Gas Masks
and a discount on Viagra, etc hasn't asked me if I want it.
And if I tell him, NO I don't want it, they will send it anyway. Or at the very
least tag my address as valid, sell it to someone else who will send me stuff
I don't want.
> To borrow a current analogy. Consider if the postal service announced
> today that to stop the spread of anthrax they were just going to burn
> all of the mail currently in the system. After all, it's for the
> greater good.
>
Don't confuse gov abilities with those of private entities.
Private companies can refuse to accept traffic from those that they wish.
(ramble about how recep comp works in the telco world)
> It "works" in the telco world. It could be argued it's not much
> more complicated for ISP's than managing BGP relationships and
> billing customers. Most importantly I can see accounting people
> and legislators being all for it.
>
Really, the CLECs are now being paid by the ILECS for call termination.
Wow, I must really be out of the loop now.......
