[43899] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: FBI is at it again
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tom Thomas)
Sat Oct 27 12:40:10 2001
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From: "Tom Thomas" <tthomas@torrentnet.com>
To: "Larry Diffey" <ldiffey@technologyforward.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:39:56 -0400
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Oh please stop before this goes into a another full blown session of having
to delete junk from my nanog folder again be rational and consider the
situation.
(1) Media rumor
(2) You have got to be kidding
(3) Businesses will not let this happen as it will cost them money so the
PACs will go nuts
(4) Privacy groups will sue
(5) Law enforcement and military makes plans for everything and I mean every
crazy next to impossible scenario. Thinking about something is not wrong
(6) Partisan politics will come into play
(7) Individuals will lobby and make noise
But for all this to happen they have to DO something not just acknowledge
making plans and thinking. Now sit down the wolf is not here yet.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
Larry Diffey
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:13 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: FBI is at it again
Per the following article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37203,00.html it appears as if the FBI
now wants to route ALL Internet traffic through it's central servers!!!!
What gall!! What nerve!!!!
Now, for all of you who said, "Hey, I'm not doing anything wrong, let the
FBI monitor what it wants to." can go shove hot spikes up your nose.
I don't think the FBI really wants to control the Internet, they want to
destabilize it. As tyranny approaches the only thing more dangerous than an
armed populace is an informed one. If they can monitor all the traffic,
they can certainly control it.
The ISP's (whatever those are) need to collectively tell the FBI to go
jump off a bridge. Information campaigns need to be sent to the customers
to alert them of the potential loss of civil liberties.
I'm gonna stop before I say something that will get me arrested.
Regards,
Larry Diffey
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Media rumor </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D553491116-27102001>(2)=20
You have got to be kidding </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Businesses will not let this happen as it will cost them money so the =
PACs will=20
go nuts </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Privacy groups will sue </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Law enforcement and military makes plans for everything and I mean every =
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next to impossible scenario. Thinking about something is not=20
wrong</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D553491116-27102001>(6)=20
Partisan politics will come into play</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D553491116-27102001>(7)=20
Individuals will lobby and make noise</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D553491116-27102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D553491116-27102001>But=20
for all this to happen they have to DO something not just acknowledge =
making=20
plans and thinking. Now sit down the wolf is not here =
yet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
owner-nanog@merit.edu=20
[mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Larry =
Diffey<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
nanog@merit.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> FBI is at it =
again<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Per the following article: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37203,00.html">http://www.fox=
news.com/story/0,2933,37203,00.html</A> it=20
appears as if the FBI now wants to route ALL Internet traffic through =
it's=20
central servers!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What gall!! What nerve!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Now, for all of you who said, "Hey, I'm not doing =
anything=20
wrong, let the FBI monitor what it wants to." can go shove hot spikes =
up your=20
nose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't think the FBI really wants to control=20
the Internet, they want to destabilize it. As tyranny=20
approaches the only thing more dangerous than an armed populace is an =
informed=20
one. If they can monitor all the traffic, they can certainly =
control=20
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The ISP's (whatever those are) need to =
collectively tell the=20
FBI to go jump off a bridge. Information campaigns need to be =
sent to=20
the customers to alert them of the potential loss of civil=20
liberties.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm gonna stop before I say something that will =
get me=20
arrested.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR>Larry =
Diffey</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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