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From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Message-Id: <200110210136.BAA02382@vacation.karoshi.com> To: avg@exigengroup.com (Vadim Antonov) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:36:15 +0000 (UCT) Cc: jabley@automagic.org (Joe Abley), nanog@merit.edu In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10110201612080.31094-100000@arch.exigengroup.com> from "Vadim Antonov" at Oct 20, 2001 04:15:48 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu NIH? birthdays for whois & SQL please. > > A well-defined and widely implemented query language to large volumes of > data organized into tables does, in fact, exist. > > It is called SQL. > > I guess all that whois silliness is an acute case of NIH syndrome. > > --vadim > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Joe Abley wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 01:53:04PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Joe Abley wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no standard specified in the RFC for output, just for query > > > > > language. > > > > > > > Is RFC954 a standard in any real sense? Seems to me that the RFC2026 > > > > designation for that document would be "Historic", although RFC954 is > > > > old enough that it is not labelled with a maturity level. > > > > > > Well, the process is standardizes is so simple and flexible there > > > obviously hasn't been any need to change the past 16 years: > > > > The original comment was that the *query language* is standardised. > > RFC954 digresses beyond the trivial protocol you mentioned to specify > > lookup behaviour which is, in practice, entirely implementation-specific. > > > > > > production *IR/IRR/registry/registrar whois servers is (a) that they > > > > all let you look stuff up, and (b) they all listen on 43/tcp. > > > > > > Isn't trying to standardize the output of whois servers is like trying to > > > standardize the output of HTTP servers? Since this output is for human > > > consumtion (well, after HTML parsing in the case of HTTP) standardizing > > > has very few benefits. > > > > s/Since/If/ > > > > Scripts consume the output of whois servers, too. Ask abuse@$isp > > (and witness the energy that went into RIPE-181 and later RPSL to > > make the results of queries parsable). > > > > > > Joe > > >
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