[42520] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Yahoogroups and Carnivore
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joe Blanchard)
Mon Sep 17 16:07:51 2001
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From: Joe Blanchard <jblanchard@wyse.com>
To: Jay Fenello <Jay@Fenello.com>,
'Larry Diffey' <ldiffey@technologyforward.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:57:09 -0700
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FYI,
Link about Carnivore, how it is Advertised to work.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/carnivore/carnivore2.htm
Cheers
-Joe
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> From: Larry Diffey[SMTP:ldiffey@technologyforward.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:41 PM
> To: Jay Fenello
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Yahoogroups and Carnivore
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> From what I understand of Carnivore (now known as DCS1000) it's a =
logging
> tool more than anything. It doesn't stop anything from going through
> based
> on content, it just logs the content and the Feds come in later and
> retrieve
> their box.
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> Yahoo could be screening stuff themselves just to cover their =
backsides.
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> Or, they could just have a lot of increased traffic due to last weeks
> terrorism.
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> Regards,
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> Larry Diffey
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Fenello" <Jay@Fenello.com>
> To: <nanog@merit.edu>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:25 PM
> Subject: Yahoogroups and Carnivore
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> >
> >
> >
> > As of yesterday, the performance of Yahoogroup's has
> > degraded from a couple minutes, to a couple of hours
> > between posting and distribution. It is rumored that
> > this is due to Carnivore being installed at major
> > ISPs throughout the country.
> >
> > Any insights?
> >
> > Jay.
> >
> > +++
> >
> > Jay Fenello, Internet Coaching
> > http://www.Fenello.com ... 678-585-9765
> > http://www.YourWebPartner.com ... Web Support
> > http://www.AligningWithPurpose.com ... for a Better World
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > "A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men
> > every=ADwhere are trying to suppress it." -- Alvin Toffler
> >
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">FYI,</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-Joe</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Larry =
Diffey[SMTP:ldiffey@technologyforward.com]</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Jay =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From what I understand of Carnivore =
(now known as DCS1000) it's a logging</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">tool more than anything. It =
doesn't stop anything from going through based</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">on content, it just logs the content =
and the Feds come in later and retrieve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">their box.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Yahoo could be screening stuff =
themselves just to cover their backsides.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Or, they could just have a lot of =
increased traffic due to last weeks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">terrorism.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Larry Diffey</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: "Jay Fenello" =
<Jay@Fenello.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To: <nanog@merit.edu></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 =
12:25 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: Yahoogroups and =
Carnivore</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> As of yesterday, the performance =
of Yahoogroup's has</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> degraded from a couple minutes, =
to a couple of hours</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> between posting and =
distribution. It is rumored that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> this is due to Carnivore being =
installed at major</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ISPs throughout the =
country.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Any insights?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Jay.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> +++</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Jay Fenello, Internet =
Coaching</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT><U> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.Fenello.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.Fenello.com</A></FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> ... 678-585-9765</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT><U> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.YourWebPartner.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.YourWebPartner.com</A></FONT></U><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> ... Web Support</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT><U> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.AligningWithPurpose.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.AligningWithPurpose.com</A></FONT></U><FONT=
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> ... for a Better World</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> "A new civilization is =
emerging in our lives, and blind men</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> every­where are trying to =
suppress it." -- Alvin Toffler</FONT>
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