[40908] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: multi-homing fixes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Roeland Meyer)
Sat Aug 25 03:54:46 2001
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From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
To: 'Steve Noble' <snoble@sonn.com>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:56:22 -0700
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|> From: Steve Noble [mailto:snoble@sonn.com]
|> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:16 PM
|>
|> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:51:15PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
|> > > Now on the other hand by saying "and if it's smaller
|> then a /20 you will
|> > > be filtered" you cause undue pressure on people to
|> "spin" their designs in
|> > > ways to show that they can use a /20 and get the
|> allocation from ARIN
|> > > directly.
|> >
|> > you mean not use nat? should i be broken-hearted?
|>
|> NAT?!? You are obviously not understanding the point I was
|> attempting
|> to make.
|>
|> The point was that companies may not need more then a /24 to
|> put their
|> entire site on, yet may be pushed to say they have more in order to
|> acquire a /20 from ARIN, just to be globally visable.
and randy's point is that the easiest way to do that, without lying through
your teeth, is to *not* use NAT, thereby increasing your visible foot-print
by the size of your NAT'd space.
|> If you were in a position where you did NOT have your own
|> previously allocated
|> swamp/b/a space, you wanted to multihome to a few different providers
|> in such a way that you were globally reachable no matter who
|> went offline
|> and you only needed a /24 or less, what would you do?
Avoid *any* technology that makes more efficient use of my address space.
Then I'd generate additional redundant services (legitimate and opertional,
just not used much) to fatten up the foot-print. About 25 Linux boxen,
implemented on BookPCs, ought to do the trick for a /19. Personally, I have
yet to be pushed to such a solution, but I've thought about it and I'm not
the only one. If the rules are set such that I have to do something like
that, or fold the company, I would do it in a heart-beat. There is a limit
to what I will sacrifice on the alter of "community spirit".
