[40601] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher A. Woodfield)
Tue Aug 14 11:21:36 2001
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:18:56 -0400
To: Tim Wilde <twilde@dyndns.org>
Cc: Mitch Halmu <mitch@netside.net>,
"Vivien M." <vivienm@dyndns.org>, nanog@merit.edu
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From: "Christopher A. Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com>
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More so, it is trivial to "overrrule" a MAPS listing in your mail server
or router if you don't agree with it. So there's no "all or nothing" rule
either. This applies to any DNS-based, and probably other types, of BLs.
-C
> But you have yet to ever tell anyone how, exactly, MAPS does any
> censoring. They provide(d?) a list of IP addresses. That is _all_ they
> have ever done. I cannot go up to Vixie or MAPS and say "filter my mail
> for me", nor have I ever (that I'm aware of) been able to do so. MAPS
> does NOT censor anything. Period. They provide a set of information,
> which ISPs make a (presumably informed) decision to do filtering (or
> censorship, if you want to call it that) based on. That is a business
> decision for those ISPs to make, a right which I'm pretty sure I recall
> you defending at some point in one of the monthly MAPS/ORBS/whoever is
> evil flamewars.
>
> You dance around the real facts in this matter _every single time_ this is
> brought up. Please explain to me, exactly how MAPS censors anything.
> I'll look forward to your reply. And don't tell me MAPS filtering is
> enabled by default in Sendmail, or point me to your propaganda page -
> the first one isn't true, and I've read the second before - it doesn't
> answer my question.
>
> And if you can't come up with an explanation, can we please end this
> monthly flamewar early and keep me from having to add some more rules to
> my .procmailrc?
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilde
> twilde@dyndns.org
> Systems Administrator
> Dynamic DNS Network Services
> http://www.dyndns.org/
>
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