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RE: BGP with AT&T owned space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jeff Harper)
Thu Aug 9 16:58:38 2001
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From: Jeff Harper <jharper@verizon.com>
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yeah, thanks, this answered my question....
-----Original Message-----
From: kysi ferul [mailto:redwingblakburdz@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:26 PM
To: Christian Nielsen; Jeff Harper
Cc: 'nanog@merit.edu'
Subject: Re: BGP with AT&T owned space
RE: PAC BELL REVENUES; BILLING PRACTICES (& BONUSES!);
Attn: IETF, NANOG & ICANN
Dear Ladies & Gentlemen,
It is high time we ask the Public Utilities Commission to NAIL Pac Bell!
Really! Last night on San Francisco's ABC Channel 7, Reporter Michael
Finney
"helped' some 65-year-old European-American males figure out how the "BILL"
was
something in the area of $680 pr hour...that is $11.08 for a two second
call!
Here is Mr. Finney finessing in behalf of Pac Bell's finagled fudged
fiduciaries...
"Oh, see first you accientally touched or nearly touched the 'O' for
Operator BEFORE you dialled the O for Operator...it is really like ROULETTE
there is a D"DOUBLE OWE"...or sometimes if your assigned Peoples Republic of
China 'neighbor is at his post on your line...a "DOUBLE LOW" or funny sound
which if you dialed 611 would cost you $108 extra for snooping
around...where you are not wanted such as in your own backyard which has
been PRIVATIZED by the GOVERNMENT so now belongs to THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS who live in back of you in front of you next door to you...in fact
of the 200 HOUSE which comprise LAKESHORE AVE OCEAN AVENUE and COUNTRY
CLUB...BERKSHIRE..HUNTINGTON,..etc out at LAKE MERCED in SAN
FRANCISCO...only TWO individuals are REAL.."Asian-Americans"...that is SAN
FARNCISCO-CHINESE! One girl on the 400 Block of Lakeshore and an older male
on the 4700 Block of OCEAN...and the 'neighborhood' is clearly 98% "ASIAN!"
ASIAN? They are all from CHINA! RED CHINA! Not ONE is from SINGAPORE!
No one from any 'asian' places outside of MACAU...TAIWAN...HONG KONG...
and MAINLAND CHINA....NONE were BORN in the USA! NOT ONE! And that is very
STARNGE in that the 'BOYS' in the 3-people families...are all about
25-years-old...got here about 8-years ago from CHINA.... RED
CHINA.....speaking 'perfect AMERICAN English without ANY TRACE of an ACCENT?
NONE? Hell THEMS SPIES! How do I know? Channel 60 KCSM "First TV in
Classrooms" PBS....says so! Yeah! The show NEW CALIFORNIA MEDIA a show about
MINORITIES had the
Chinese-American PArent-Teacher Association on which was SUING the 'Nutty'
CITY of SAN FRANCISCO for RACIAL & NATIONAL ORIGINS DISCRIMINATION! Yes!
Here was the headlines from the SF CHRONICLE..."SF SCHOOLS RE-INSTATES
SEGRAGATION" about how LOWELL HIGH SCHOOL had specially OVERTURNED the NEW
FEDERAL LAW which in itself had superceded 'AFFIRAMTIVE ACTION' and called
for a level playing field...but to AID & ABET Foreign Nationals posing as
'typical' American TEENS...these dirty bastards not only are HIDING these
SPIES out up at LOWELL...but when the SUIT was launched, quickly set about
to 'recontour' the PARKING LOT...an effort which will require 80
double-trucks & the CLEVELAND WRECKING CO.? IN otherwords they are going to
BULL DOZE the EEVIDENCE! More proof that a "SPACE COLONY" of COMMUNIST RED
CHINESE
were 'planted' here is in the 'fixing-up of the LAKESHORE PLAZA area...just
before the 'INVASION" upon our shores...:"SHELTER BAY" of Mill Valley,
LUCKY's , ALBERTSON, the UNIVERSITY of CALIFORNIA and the SOCIAL SECURITY
AGENCY of the US Gov. are but a few deeply involved entities. There is
NOPOLICE PROTECTION in an area which is 'supposed' to have something like a
DOZEN various Law Enforcement & Peace Oficers looking in from time to
time...but the REALITY is that the area is MONITORED by CHINESE GANGS...in
their NEW CARS without LICENSE PALTES on the CELL_PHONE and with CAMERAS on
the HOUSES and in their cars...so that AMERICANS are SURVEILLED! (IN OUR OWN
COUNTRY! HOLY JESUS! WE NEED TO GET THE FBI TO UPROOT THIS NEST AT ONCE !
INTERN....INTERROGATE AND DEPORT! Now! The idea that a CHINESE NATIONAL who
may have been raised in a "Potemkin Village" ( I mean we are letting AIWAN
institute ENGLISH as the FIRST LANGUAGE...and whats more this is AFTER we
allowed them to pas! ! ! ! ! ! ! s a LAW making FATHER to SON Homosexual
UNIONS legally sanctioned in MARRIAGE! And that is another thing...we have
given TAiwan to CHINA at least TWO Times now! Why do we go abck & forth? Why
give it up the firsat time? Why this "STRATEGIC AMBIGUITY" policy? (That
means if a Chinaman is so retarded to think we actually REQUIRE their
'services' here in the USA that no one is supposed to "HIP" him to the
TRUTH? HOLY CRAP! Staop this NONSENSE NOW! 1st of ALL these PEOPLE do not
know WHOPPS just got a call-back from someone caliming to be th eparty at
"LEGAL" at "PUC" that I left a phone message with this morning...BUT,,BIY!
Was she MAD! What is SHE mad about? I asked...and she said..."Well you are
misrepresenting what the laws are about phone bills..." Urps! I think you
got me mixed up with a recently goobled indigestible BURRITO from TACO BELL!
(Don't WORRY...she has a YIDDISH name...adn MEXICAN FOOD was INVENTED in
LONG BEACH by ROWAN & MARTIN after those two clowns go! ! ! ! ! ! ! t out of
the AIR FORCE...CHI-CHI;s EL Doritos, El Toritos, TACO BELL MISSION BELL
MISSION TACO etc..all invented by EL GRINGO!
Anyway she said you can SUE but NOT PUC...which is tehre to protect PAC BELL
from CITIZEN INQUIRIES..everything must go through "FILTER" or "MUFF" called
PUBIC UTITILTIES COMMOTION
http://www.trun.org <http://www.trun.org>
http://www.cpuc.org <http://www.cpuc.org>
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov <http://www.cpuc.ca.gov>
http://www.pacbell.com <http://www.pacbell.com>
http://www.telesis.com <http://www.telesis.com>
http://www.sbc.com <http://www.sbc.com>
http://://www.nanog.org <http://://www.nanog.org>
http://www.ietf.org <http://www.ietf.org>
ttp://www.icaan.org
Christian Nielsen <cnielsen@nielsen.net> wrote:
Jeff,
Are you a peer or customer of ATT? or are you seeing these from your
upstream?
If it is the first case, you can ask ATT to not leak more specific routes
to you. Also, they have a community you can use to block them.
If it is the second, please talk to your upstream. That means they are
leaking ATT more specifics. I know of one provider that has done this more
than once in the past... Contact them and make sure they have the correct
route-maps/filters in place.
And if you really dont like seeing them...
prefix-list idontlikethis 12.0.0.0/8 le 8
that should solve your problem.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Jeff Harper wrote:
> Just curious if anyone has noticed the leaking of the more specific routes
> of AT&T's IP space in their BGP table. Here's what we're seeing in ours:
>
> #s ip ro 12.0.0.! ! ! ! ! ! ! 0
> Routing entry for 12.0.0.0/8, 589 known subnets
> Variably subnetted with 9 masks
>
> B 12.23.26.0/23 [20/0] via x.x.x.x
> B 12.28.18.0/24 [20/0] via x.x.x.x
> B 12.33.46.0/24 [20/0] via x.x.x.x, etc.....
>
>
> I should just see the aggregation of the /8, but something changed on
> 8/7/2001 at precisely 8 AM Eastern time. The same is with their 24/8 and
> their other networks as well. I have about 40,000 superfluous networks in
> my BGP table. ;)
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
Kysi Ferul redwingblakburdz@yahoo.com <mailto:redwingblakburdz@yahoo.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=306185820-09082001>yeah, thanks, this
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> kysi ferul
[mailto:redwingblakburdz@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 09, 2001
3:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Christian Nielsen; Jeff Harper<BR><B>Cc:</B>
'nanog@merit.edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: BGP with AT&T owned
space<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P> RE: PAC BELL REVENUES; BILLING PRACTICES (& BONUSES!);
<P> Attn: IETF, NANOG & ICANN
<P> Dear Ladies & Gentlemen,
<P> It is high time we ask the Public Utilities Commission to NAIL Pac
Bell!
<P> Really! Last night on San Francisco's ABC Channel 7, Reporter
Michael Finney
<P>"helped' some 65-year-old European-American males figure out how the "BILL"
was
<P>something in the area of $680 pr hour...that is $11.08 for a two second
call!
<P>Here is Mr. Finney finessing in behalf of Pac Bell's finagled fudged
fiduciaries...
<P>
<P> "Oh, see first you accientally touched or nearly touched the 'O' for
Operator BEFORE you dialled the O for Operator...it is really like ROULETTE
there is a D"DOUBLE OWE"...or sometimes if your assigned Peoples Republic of
China 'neighbor is at his post on your line...a "DOUBLE LOW" or funny sound
which if you dialed 611 would cost you $108 extra for snooping around...where
you are not wanted such as in your own backyard which has been PRIVATIZED by
the GOVERNMENT so now belongs to THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS who live in
back of you in front of you next door to you...in fact of the 200 HOUSE which
comprise LAKESHORE AVE OCEAN AVENUE and COUNTRY
CLUB...BERKSHIRE..HUNTINGTON,..etc out at LAKE MERCED in SAN FRANCISCO...only
TWO individuals are REAL.."Asian-Americans"...that is SAN
FARNCISCO-CHINESE! One girl on the 400 Block of Lakeshore and an older
male on the 4700 Block of OCEAN...and the 'neighborhood' is clearly
98% "ASIAN!"
<P> ASIAN? They are all from CHINA! RED CHINA! Not ONE is
from SINGAPORE!
<P>No one from any 'asian' places outside of MACAU...TAIWAN...HONG KONG...
<P>and MAINLAND CHINA....NONE were BORN in the USA! NOT ONE! And that
is very STARNGE in that the 'BOYS' in the 3-people families...are all
about 25-years-old...got here about 8-years ago from CHINA.... RED
CHINA.....speaking 'perfect AMERICAN English without ANY TRACE of an ACCENT?
NONE? Hell THEMS SPIES! How do I know? Channel 60 KCSM "First TV in
Classrooms" PBS....says so! Yeah! The show NEW CALIFORNIA MEDIA a show about
MINORITIES had the
<P>Chinese-American PArent-Teacher Association on which was SUING the 'Nutty'
CITY of SAN FRANCISCO for RACIAL & NATIONAL ORIGINS DISCRIMINATION! Yes!
Here was the headlines from the SF CHRONICLE..."SF SCHOOLS RE-INSTATES
SEGRAGATION" about how LOWELL HIGH SCHOOL had specially OVERTURNED the NEW
FEDERAL LAW which in itself had superceded 'AFFIRAMTIVE ACTION' and called for
a level playing field...but to AID & ABET Foreign Nationals posing as
'typical' American TEENS...these dirty bastards not only are HIDING these
SPIES out up at LOWELL...but when the SUIT was launched, quickly set about to
'recontour' the PARKING LOT...an effort which will require 80 double-trucks
& the CLEVELAND WRECKING CO.? IN otherwords they are going to BULL DOZE
the EEVIDENCE! More proof that a "SPACE COLONY" of COMMUNIST RED CHINESE
<P>were 'planted' here is in the 'fixing-up of the LAKESHORE PLAZA area...just
before the 'INVASION" upon our shores...:"SHELTER BAY" of Mill Valley, LUCKY's
, ALBERTSON, the UNIVERSITY of CALIFORNIA and the SOCIAL SECURITY AGENCY of
the US Gov. are but a few deeply involved entities. There is NOPOLICE
PROTECTION in an area which is 'supposed' to have something like a DOZEN
various Law Enforcement & Peace Oficers looking in from time to time...but
the REALITY is that the area is MONITORED by CHINESE GANGS...in their NEW CARS
without LICENSE PALTES on the CELL_PHONE and with CAMERAS on the HOUSES and in
their cars...so that AMERICANS are SURVEILLED! (IN OUR OWN COUNTRY! HOLY
JESUS! WE NEED TO GET THE FBI TO UPROOT THIS NEST AT ONCE !
INTERN....INTERROGATE AND DEPORT! Now! The idea that a CHINESE NATIONAL who
may have been raised in a "Potemkin Village" ( I mean we are letting AIWAN
institute ENGLISH as the FIRST LANGUAGE...and whats more this is AFTER we
allowed them to pas! ! ! ! ! ! ! s a LAW making FATHER to SON Homosexual
UNIONS legally sanctioned in MARRIAGE! And that is another thing...we have
given TAiwan to CHINA at least TWO Times now! Why do we go abck & forth?
Why give it up the firsat time? Why this "STRATEGIC AMBIGUITY" policy? (That
means if a Chinaman is so retarded to think we actually REQUIRE their
'services' here in the USA that no one is supposed to "HIP" him to the TRUTH?
HOLY CRAP! Staop this NONSENSE NOW! 1st of ALL these PEOPLE do not know WHOPPS
just got a call-back from someone caliming to be th eparty at "LEGAL" at "PUC"
that I left a phone message with this morning...BUT,,BIY! Was she MAD! What is
SHE mad about? I asked...and she said..."Well you are misrepresenting what the
laws are about phone bills..." Urps! I think you got me mixed up with a
recently goobled indigestible BURRITO from TACO BELL! (Don't WORRY...she has a
YIDDISH name...adn MEXICAN FOOD was INVENTED in LONG BEACH by ROWAN &
MARTIN after those two clowns go! ! ! ! ! ! ! t out of the AIR
FORCE...CHI-CHI;s EL Doritos, El Toritos, TACO BELL MISSION BELL MISSION TACO
etc..all invented by EL GRINGO!
<P>Anyway she said you can SUE but NOT PUC...which is tehre to protect PAC
BELL from CITIZEN INQUIRIES..everything must go through "FILTER" or "MUFF"
called
<P>PUBIC UTITILTIES COMMOTION
<P><A href="http://www.trun.org">http://www.trun.org</A>
<P> <A href="http://www.cpuc.org">http://www.cpuc.org</A>
<P><A href="http://www.cpuc.ca.gov">http://www.cpuc.ca.gov</A>
<P> <A href="http://www.pacbell.com">http://www.pacbell.com</A>
<P><A href="http://www.telesis.com">http://www.telesis.com</A>
<P><A href="http://www.sbc.com">http://www.sbc.com</A>
<P><A href="http://://www.nanog.org">http://://www.nanog.org</A>
<P><A href="http://www.ietf.org">http://www.ietf.org</A>
<P>ttp://www.icaan.org
<P>
<P> <B><I>Christian Nielsen <cnielsen@nielsen.net></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR><BR>Jeff,<BR><BR>Are
you a peer or customer of ATT? or are you seeing these from
your<BR>upstream?<BR><BR>If it is the first case, you can ask ATT to not
leak more specific routes<BR>to you. Also, they have a community you can use
to block them.<BR><BR>If it is the second, please talk to your upstream.
That means they are<BR>leaking ATT more specifics. I know of one provider
that has done this more<BR>than once in the past... Contact them and make
sure they have the correct<BR>route-maps/filters in place.<BR><BR>And if you
really dont like seeing them...<BR><BR>prefix-list idontlikethis 12.0.0.0/8
le 8<BR><BR>that should solve your problem.<BR><BR>On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Jeff
Harper wrote:<BR><BR>> Just curious if anyone has noticed the leaking of
the more specific routes<BR>> of AT&T's IP space in their BGP table.
Here's what we're seeing in ours:<BR>><BR>> #s ip ro 12.0.0.! ! ! ! !
! ! 0<BR>> Routing entry for 12.0.0.0/8, 589 known subnets<BR>>
Variably subnetted with 9 masks<BR>><BR>> B 12.23.26.0/23 [20/0] via
x.x.x.x<BR>> B 12.28.18.0/24 [20/0] via x.x.x.x<BR>> B 12.33.46.0/24
[20/0] via x.x.x.x, etc.....<BR>><BR>><BR>> I should just see the
aggregation of the /8, but something changed on<BR>> 8/7/2001 at
precisely 8 AM Eastern time. The same is with their 24/8 and<BR>> their
other networks as well. I have about 40,000 superfluous networks in<BR>>
my BGP table. ;)<BR>><BR>>
Jeff<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<P> </P>
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href="mailto:redwingblakburdz@yahoo.com">redwingblakburdz@yahoo.com</A><BR><BR></P>
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