[40273] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: The Death of TCP/IP
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Wojtek Zlobicki)
Sun Aug 5 22:26:55 2001
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From: "Wojtek Zlobicki" <wojtekz@idirect.com>
To: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:26:00 -0400
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
To: "'Wojtek Zlobicki'" <wojtekz@idirect.com>; <nanog@merit.edu>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: The Death of TCP/IP
> > From: Wojtek Zlobicki [mailto:wojtekz@idirect.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:09 PM
> >
> > <RANT>
> >
> > Nothing other than anti-Microsoft propaganda. You cannot
> > blame Microsoft
> > for high market share.
>
> But you can blame them for making Vbasic available to every email message
> that wants to rape your system. Boy, what a brain-fart that was. It still
> stinks. Repeat after me; nothing in an email message should be executable
> without express and very deliberate operator intervention.
Agreed, BUT .... as stated by Cringley himself, Microsoft tailors their
software to the
populus. Wow a software company listening to its users, what a travesty.
> > The main reason that *Nix hosts are generally more
> > resilient to these type of worms is that it is less likely for a non
> > informed administrator to administer a *Nix sever.
>
> False. A very large portion of the *nux machines are in this sad
condition.
False, many popular exploits (such as those with BIND) are fixed/patched
much faster.
Now a really scarry worm would be one that exploits Apache. I used *NIX and
not Linux for a reason. Many UNIX boxes are much better secured. Joe
Sixpack
that installs his favourite distro of Linux is just as vulnerable as a
windows users. I will give you
the fact that there are still many unsecure/unpatched boxes in both worlds.
It all comes
down to the poor management of Internet connected devices. I am really
encouraged
by the new option of auto installing updates in Windows XP. It is sad that
such a well
publicized worm/bug is spreading so far (it made the front page of the
National Post here
in Canada).
>
> > If everyone that had a
> > IIS box available on the big I, installed all related
> > patches, worms like Code Red would never propagate very far.
>
> Sure they would, you'd just never notice it. A *real* programmer would
have
> started CodeRed out at the current Level III version.
>
> > Raw socket support in NOT a bad thing. I wonder if Robert
> > Cringely and Steve Gibson are friends.
>
> Now here, we agree.
>
> > "Say goodbye to TCP/IP and to anonymous connections of any
> > kind. Hello to
> > Hailstorm, tracking everything down to the last mile, and a more
> > business-friendly Internet with prioritized packet-handling. "
>
> I've just been looking at Hailstorm, it sucks. Think "totalitarianism".
> Think, re-enforcment of monopoly position.
>
> > </RANT>
> >
> > I really encourage anyone with a tough skin, and looking for
> > a good laugh to
> > read this article.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Hough" <rch@acidpit.org>
> > To: <nanog@merit.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:23 AM
> > Subject: The Death of TCP/IP
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Felt like sharing this most amusing article that I discovered in my
> > > Inbox this morning:
> > >
> > > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Robert Hough (rch@acidpit.org)
> >
> >
