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Re: DDoS attacks

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Shankland)
Thu Jul 12 12:40:39 2001

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:40:19 -0700
Message-Id: <200107121640.JAA11196@ndk.shankland.org>
From: Jim Shankland <nanog@shankland.org>
To: "Jon O ." <jono@microshaft.org>, <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20010711232650.G15099@networkcommand.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu


Jon O. writes:

> There is quite a bit of helplessness and inaction going on when it
> comes to these types of situations and BIG ISP can get away with
> whatever they want.

Sooner or later, this is going to end up in civil litigation, and
unfortunate as that will be, it may help throttle these attacks a bit.
When a small ISP is taken down for days at a time due to a DDoS attack,
and a significant portion of the attack comes from one big ISP, and the
big ISP is unwilling to take any action to slow or stop the attack,
the small ISP has a credible claim for damages against the big ISP.
If a pattern of gross negligence could be shown, punitive damages could
potentially be a multiple of actual damages.

Jim Shankland

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