[38779] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Prefix-length FUD (was: Re: Opinions about InterNAP)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tony Tauber)
Wed Jun 13 17:01:12 2001
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:26:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tony Tauber <ttauber@genuity.net>
To: Michael Martin <mpmartin@nortelnetworks.com>
Cc: "Seth M. Kusiak" <seth.kusiak@yours4less.com>,
nanog <nanog@merit.edu>
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Michael Martin wrote:
> The relevant portion of Tony's explanation (which is very concise) is the
> following --
>
> ++> but should see the route via P2 if P1 is accepting it. (Some
> ++> may either block the announcement or have anti-spoofing packet filters
> ++> at their borders that block the traffic itself).
>
> His explanation is very good but the statement that Seth made was that many
> providers DO block the /24 announcements. Tony doesn't say anything
> specifically about this.
So the example is that you're numbered out of Provider1's CIDR block.
You're fearing that Provider1 will block announcements of more-specifics
from w/in their own blocks. My anecdotal understanding (which I agree has
limited value) was that providers who filtered made *exceptions* in their
filtering policies for their own CIDR blocks.
*** What policies any other providers have is unimportant to my example
and things will work just fine no matter the case with those people. ***
At any rate, since you're a paying customer of P1, you at least have
some influence to exert to get them to make exceptions.
As for packet filters (vs. route filters), I doubt many ISPs would
implement such a thing as that filtering is typically done at the
customer edge.
Tony
> I remember plenty of threads on this topic but
> very few non-anecdotal facts about ISP filter policies. Not being with an
> ISP I'm very curious if there is a good answer. I'm not immediately
> impacted since Nortel has a class A to work with but I've run into this
> question from clients while doing consulting and just don't feel qualified
> to really answer it authoritatively. Anyone?
>
> ---
> Michael Martin
> Internet Design Engineer
> Internet Engineering
> Nortel Networks
