[36551] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David R. Conrad)
Tue Apr 10 17:03:00 2001
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:39:21 -0700
To: Greg Maxwell <gmaxwell@martin.fl.us>,
"Majdi S. Abbas" <msa@samurai.sfo.dead-dog.com>
From: "David R. Conrad" <david.conrad@nominum.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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Hi,
At 03:45 PM 4/10/2001 -0400, Greg Maxwell wrote:
> > Aggregation buys time, that's it. Aggregation does not make the
> > current routing methods any more scalable.
No. Aggregation hides information. Information hiding promotes
scalability. Current routing methods can theoretically be as scalable as
anyone could ever want if you place well known constraints, namely single
homing and pure provider based addressing, on entrants into the routing
system. Of course, as neither of those constraints are particularly
appealing to anyone but top-tier service providers and the incremental cost
of violating those constraints are so small that you quickly get into a
"tragedy of the commons" scenario.
>In IPv4 yes, because you can't have perfect aggregation, too much network
>multihoming and old prefixes and it's to painful to change address blocks.
>
>In IPv6, if implimented right aggregation provides for virtually limitless
>scalability for unicast traffic.
IPv6 is not magic. IPv4 and IPv6 use the same routing paradigm, so if you
can have virtually limitless scalability with v6, you can have virtually
limitless scalability with v4. Problem is:
a) multi-homing is demanded by the market and for multi-homing to make
sense, you must stop hiding information. I don't see the market demand
changing with the deployment of IPv6.
b) CIDR requires renumbering. If people want to change providers, they
must renumber into their new provider's block, even with IPv6. IPv6 is
supposed to make renumbering easier, however I personally don't believe the
current addressing model used for IPv6 makes it that much easier than IPv4,
so there will still be resistance to renumbering in IPv6.
Rgds,
-drc
