[35675] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Statements against new.net?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mathew Butler)
Wed Mar 14 15:51:01 2001
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From: Mathew Butler <mbutler@tonbu.com>
To: 'Adrian Chadd' <adrian@creative.net.au>,
"Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve@opaltelecom.co.uk>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:08:48 -0800
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Adrian: The key word is "cooperating". New.net (and its brethren that are
being born in technology incubators as we speak) are not "cooperating",
they're intentionally "culture-jamming" for their own gain.
-Mat Butler
Speaking for himself, not his company
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Chadd [mailto:adrian@creative.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:18 AM
To: Stephen J. Wilcox
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Statements against new.net?
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
> You dont have to use ARIN/RIPE allocated IPs on your network, you can pick
> your own (non-RFC1918) addresses just dont advertise them, but again what
> good is that to users on my network who wont be able to see the sites.
>
> Look: "Internet" its single, not plural that would be "Internets" there
> are certain uniquenesses which must be maintained if you want all users on
> "The Internet" to receive the same results no matter who's network they
> are on.
Hrm. Somewhere along the line I remember the Internet being defined
as a bunch of networks cooperating in order to exchange information.
When did that change? :-)
I'll be happy when more companies start to see that they canactually
make money by fostering internet growth rather than making money by
abusing internet growth.
Adrian
--
Adrian Chadd "The fact you can download a 100 megabyte file
<adrian@creative.net.au> from half way around the world should be viewed
as an accident and not a right."
-- Adrian Chadd and Bill Fumerola
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Adrian: The key word is =
"cooperating". New.net (and its brethren that are being =
born in technology incubators as we speak) are not =
"cooperating", they're intentionally =
"culture-jamming" for their own gain.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Mat Butler</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Speaking for himself, not his company</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Adrian Chadd [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:adrian@creative.net.au">mailto:adrian@creative.net.au</A>=
]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:18 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Stephen J. Wilcox</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Statements against new.net?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Wed, Mar 14, 2001, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> You dont have to use ARIN/RIPE allocated IPs on =
your network, you can pick</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> your own (non-RFC1918) addresses just dont =
advertise them, but again what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> good is that to users on my network who wont be =
able to see the sites.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Look: "Internet" its single, not =
plural that would be "Internets" there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> are certain uniquenesses which must be =
maintained if you want all users on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> "The Internet" to receive the same =
results no matter who's network they</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> are on.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hrm. Somewhere along the line I remember the Internet =
being defined</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>as a bunch of networks cooperating in order to =
exchange information.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>When did that change? :-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'll be happy when more companies start to see that =
they canactually</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>make money by fostering internet growth rather than =
making money by</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>abusing internet growth.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Adrian</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Adrian Chadd =
"The fact you can =
download a 100 megabyte file</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><adrian@creative.net.au> from half way =
around the world should be viewed</FONT>
<BR> =
=
<FONT =
SIZE=3D2> as an accident and not a =
right."</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE=3D2>-- Adrian =
Chadd and Bill Fumerola</FONT>
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