[35041] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Update for noc .nl problem..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Walker)
Fri Feb 23 17:27:43 2001
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:19:20 -0500
From: Scott Walker <scott@unspeakable.org>
To: nanog@merit.edu
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They wouldn't even consider that.. They said email abuse@home.nl and wait for
a response... Which is all good for spam, etc.. but something like what happened
to us.. a 24 hour response could be too much..
Quoting J Bacher <jb@jbacher.com>:
>
> At 03:22 PM 2/23/01 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >I'm curious - how many ISPs hold to this kind of policy of being tight-lipped
> >until subpoenaed?
> >
> >Personally, I'm kind of glad to see this response from @home. I know I would
> >want to see an ISP I used do the same thing if confronted by The Law. Maybe
> >that's just the Bill of Rights lover in me.
> >
> >Having said that, it sucks that they're forcing you to get the lawyers and the
> >cops involved. I'd often prefer to see things handled on an informal basis of
> >professional courtesy. Especially when real damage is done such as in your
> >case.
>
> We follow the same policy of not handing out client information without a
> legally binding document requiring us to do so.
>
> However, we do use our AUP to prevent further access if we have sufficient
> -evidence- of a violation. A severe violation may result in access being
> removed first while we conduct an internal investigation to determine the
> extent of the violation that took place.
>
> Providing client information is only useful for civil or criminal
> charges. What the individual under attack needs is access revoked and, for
> that need, we respond immediately.
>
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