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RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael)
Thu Jan 18 15:32:09 2001
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From: Michael <mbrunson@scantype.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:51:45 -0800
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Your analysis ignores the profits received by the utilities when they sold
the power plants to the generators at large multiples over book values over
the last 4 years.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:45 AM
To: 'Sean Donelan'; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
Last night, on the news, I saw a clip of Grey Davis stating that he'd met
with the four largest generator operator in the state. He emphatically
stated that they (the operators) had said that they would force PG&E into
bankruptcy unless they were paid, by mid-night, tonight. Grey Davis was
trying to justify state bail-out of PG&E. The news commentator didn't
otherwise reference that comment, but made some disparaging remarks about
PG&E. The News station put it in the same context of the folks encouraging
PG&E customers to not pay their bills. Basically, blaming PG&E for the
problem.
Note that;
PG&E wouldn't owe such a larg sum if the generator charges (not costs)
hadn't gone up over 700% in the past three months.
PG&E is prevented from passing on their cost by law. Generator charges
currently exceed allowed end-user rates by two orders of magnitude.
There is plenty of generator capacity, if they would simply bring them
online.
AQMD (Air Quality Management District) is one excuse for keeping a healthy
generator offline.
Comment:
What's wrong with this picture? I see the generators, holding a shotgun at
PG&E's neck, and telling the state that they'll pull the triggers if the
state doesn't come up with the dough. They're not even wearing a mask! Yet,
no one is seeing anything wrong with this and they're acting like it's
PG&E's fault.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:58 AM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
>
>
>
> California ISO has ordered a second day of rolling blackouts.
> Following
> the written emergency operations order, the blackouts will begin with
> the next blocks in each utility's EOP. This means people who
> experienced
> a rolling blackout first yesterday, are last on the list
> today. People
> who did not experience a blackout yesterday move up the list.
>
>
>
>
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Your analysis ignores the profits received by the =
utilities when they sold the power plants to the generators at large =
multiples over book values over the last 4 years.</FONT></P>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>* Michael =
Brunson ScanType Corporation</FONT>
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438-5125 FAX: +1 =
(760) 438-4956</FONT>
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for the electronic ,WEB, and paper Publisher"</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Roeland Meyer [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com">mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:45 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: 'Sean Donelan'; nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Second day of rolling blackouts =
starts</FONT>
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<BR>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Last night, on the news, I saw a clip of Grey Davis =
stating that he'd met</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with the four largest generator operator in the =
state. He emphatically</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>stated that they (the operators) had said that they =
would force PG&E into</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>bankruptcy unless they were paid, by mid-night, =
tonight. Grey Davis was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>trying to justify state bail-out of PG&E. The =
news commentator didn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>otherwise reference that comment, but made some =
disparaging remarks about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PG&E. The News station put it in the same =
context of the folks encouraging</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PG&E customers to not pay their bills. =
Basically, blaming PG&E for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>problem.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note that; </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>PG&E wouldn't owe such a larg sum if the =
generator charges (not costs)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>hadn't gone up over 700% in the past three =
months.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>PG&E is prevented from passing on their cost by =
law. Generator charges</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>currently exceed allowed end-user rates by two =
orders of magnitude.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There is plenty of generator capacity, if they would =
simply bring them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>online.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>AQMD (Air Quality Management District) is one excuse =
for keeping a healthy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>generator offline.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Comment:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What's wrong with this picture? I see the generators, =
holding a shotgun at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PG&E's neck, and telling the state that they'll =
pull the triggers if the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>state doesn't come up with the dough. They're not =
even wearing a mask! Yet,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>no one is seeing anything wrong with this and =
they're acting like it's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PG&E's fault.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Sean Donelan [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sean@donelan.com">mailto:sean@donelan.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:58 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Second day of rolling blackouts =
starts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> California ISO has ordered a second day of =
rolling blackouts. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Following</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the written emergency operations order, the =
blackouts will begin with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the next blocks in each utility's EOP. =
This means people who </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> experienced</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> a rolling blackout first yesterday, are last on =
the list </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> today. People</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> who did not experience a blackout yesterday =
move up the list.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
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