[3342] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: AGIS Route Flaps Interrupting its Peering?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dave Siegel)
Mon Jul 8 14:38:27 1996
From: Dave Siegel <dsiegel@rtd.com>
To: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger, MCSNet)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:29:19 -0700 (MST)
Cc: smd@icp.net, agislist@interstice.com, inet-access@earth.com,
nanog@merit.edu, peter@agis.net
In-Reply-To: <m0ucKjZ-0003ksC@mercury.mcs.com> from "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" at Jul 5, 96 06:56:25 pm
> This actually works reasonably well as long as you don't try to cram 20Mbps
> of data through it in aggregate.
>
> The problem that one particular provider had was trying to do this
> full-mesh AND ignoring the fact that Ethernet isn't really 10Mbps; its
> more like 5-6Mbps when you take the duplexing issues into account. Now add
> the collision domain problems to this (you really don't have a 3000-mile
> collision domain; its "faked" in the translation) and limited buffering and
> you can see where some problems show up really quickly, especially when you
> sell resale T1s to people and don't upgrade the backbone to meet the
> increasing sales of circuits......
>
> If you only mesh the places you need to talk to from one point to another
> and use a better exit technology at exchange points (allowing an aggregate
> data rate > 10mbps) it works quite well. Try to go "cheap" and use the AUI
> interface everywhere and you get a different result.
And I know a provider that despite realistic expectations of the technology,
still experience serious problems with everything that Sean mentioned. 50%
of all problems were caused by inadequate buffering, and the other 50% were
caused by PVC's either dissappearing, or being re-routed around the wrong
end of the country.
(Gee, 250ms from San Francisco to San Jose...it's taking the east coast route
again...)
> > -- mixed-media bridging (NetEdges, FDDI/Ethernet bridges)
>
> Netedge <> Ethernet works quite well (far better than RETIX<>Ethernet.)
No argument on the Retix's.
> Netedge<>FDDI has been reported to have the problems you listed, and more.
not quite there yet, no.
> > Finally, why is it that most vendors never test their products in
> > a serious battlefield environment like an ISP of size medium to huge?
> > These places tend to be excellent worst-case testing grounds.
>
> That's a good question...
What are you talking about? They do a series of stress tests designed to
push the equipment to it's utmost capabilities in their state-of-the-art
...laboratory.
heh.
Dave
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