[33206] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Further Internet Metrics
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (dave o'leary)
Wed Jan 3 12:14:28 2001
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 07:15:00 -0800
To: Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com>,
"'nanog@merit.edu'" <nanog@merit.edu>
From: "dave o'leary" <doleary@juniper.net>
Cc: Eric Lemond <elemond@FastIdeas.com>
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At 11:07 AM 1/2/01 -0700, Rodney Joffe wrote:
>Randy Bush wrote:
> >
> > i submit that your metrics are subject to serious question. while we
> expect
> > little of boarwatch, i would hope academics would be a bit more
> responsible.
> >
> > e.g. how do you assign the traffic share of the traffic going to a smallish
> > network which is multi-homed behind sprint, uunet, and which is also
> appears
> > at mae-west? hint: if you look from a uunet or sprint perspective,
> then you
> > assign it to uunet or sprint depending on perspective. but if you also
> peer
> > openly at mae-west, then you don't assign it to either.
> >
> > so how about some prudent or accurate, as opposed to merely fast, ideas?
>
>If someone(s) were to outline and define a study/project, and the
>project passed both the technical and political scrutiny of the NANO in
>general, CenterGate might be willing to provide some funding for same.
>We might be even more willing if the project was overseen or assisted by
>one of the University groups involved in NANOG (Merit, ISI, UofO, CAIDA,
>etc).
If nothing else, a couple of well defined measures of market share would
be quite useful, particularly if they were specified in such a way that
they could be measured in a deterministic manner. However, as you
point out this is essentially impossible, but I wouldn't characterize these
as political, but rather as market issues.
dave
>It seems to me, however, that the political issues will make this
>impossible. But if someone can convince "those who must be obeyed" that
>this would be of general value, I'm open.
>--
>Rodney Joffe
>CenterGate Research Group, LLC.
>http://www.centergate.com
>"Technology so advanced, even we don't understand it!"(SM)
