[33042] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: florida ix(en) facing south
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Diaz)
Thu Dec 21 15:49:27 2000
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:13:15 -0500
To: Jeff Mcadams <jeffm@iglou.com>,
Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net>
From: David Diaz <davediaz@iwcinc.net>
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[Speaking on pubic information and personal opinion]
Frankly I dont think Bellsouth has done an amazing job of explaining
it's design premises or capabilities to the public. I know they made
a big effort to make sure if you had an existing pop or colo that
there was no need for a forklift; you could get cost effective
services from any area of South Florida. They should have nodes in
Miami, Ft. Lauderdale and West Palm Beach areas and it is flat rated
service last I heard. There is a DWDM and optical switching piece
built in such that providers should be able to do private peering as
quickly and easily as setting up an ATM PVC, however it will be
circuit based. The thinking was to allow large backbones to
establish private peering session extremely quickly at speeds up to
OC192.
Obviously if you are located next to a node and can do a physical
cross connect that is much cheaper then running a circuit 100 miles.
However, if are located at a node of a carrier ring / network that
has fibre extending into a node, it may be just as cheap if you are
50miles away or 1 mile. In this case the nodes might be thought of
as "extended nap nodes" in a way.
Bellsouth really needs to do a presentation at NANOG and explain some
of the design pros and cons. From what I have seen once you work
through it you see that this is a huge leap from establishing private
peering sessions. Capacity can also be added in hours instead of
months thanks to DWDM and optical switching.
It's a good design that needs to be taken to an open forum discussion at nanog.
dd
At 2:09 PM -0500 12/21/00, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
>Also sprach Christian Kuhtz
>>On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:10:50PM -0500, Bennett Todd wrote:
>>[..]
>>> It's within the bounds of possibility that the company really has
>>> technically competant people, who don't for whatever reason care
>>> about the public presence of their company on the net, but could fix
>>> it if they bothered. Even that fantasy scenario doesn't make me want
>>> to do business with them.
>>[..]
>
>>Hmm, maybe.
>
>>And it is also within the bounds of possibility that the technically
>>competant people working the product may not have much say or link to
>>the public appearance of their respective Internet presence. Reality
>>of life in some places. YMMV.
>
>Yup, and as someone else already mentioned, I believe, this is still a
>good reason to avoid working with such a company.
>
>Hrmm, and I'm saying this to someone from BellSouth, how ironic. :)
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Thank you,
David Diaz
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