[32548] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: I think I jinxed Sprint
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JP Donnio)
Tue Nov 28 03:18:02 2000
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From: "JP Donnio" <ml-nanog@TBS-internet.com>
To: "Chris Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:15:07 +0100
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AS5511 is France Telecom's international backbone and any problem should be
reported to noc@opentransit.net
They have been quite responsive recently. Give it a try.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com>
To: "Mathew Butler" <mbutler@tonbu.com>
Cc: "'Roeland Meyer'" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; "'Sean Donelan'"
<sean@donelan.com>; <nanog@merit.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: I think I jinxed Sprint
>
> ...and in other news, speaking of Sprint, it appears that AS5511, a
> Sprintlink customer, became a transit provider for the netblock belonging
to
> my ISP, CapuNet (an AboveNet customer), and probably many other AboveNet
> blocks, for about 15 minutes this morning...
>
> core1.wdc>sh ip bgp 64.50.178.19
> BGP routing table entry for 64.50.160.0/19, version 9657504
> Paths: (2 available, best #1, advertised over IBGP)
> 1239 5511 6461 7380
> 144.228.242.51 from 144.228.242.51
> Origin IGP, metric 55, localpref 50000, valid, external, best
> Community: 6993:1239 65000:10913
> 1239 5511 6461 7380, (received-only)
> 144.228.242.51 from 144.228.242.51
> Origin IGP, metric 55, localpref 100, valid, external
>
> [cwoodfield@cwoodfield src]$ traceroute 64.50.178.19
> traceroute to cd-178-19.ra30.dc.capu.net (64.50.178.19): 1-30 hops, 38
> byte packets
> 1 internap-wtcb-gw.e0.wdc.pnap.net (216.52.126.188) 1.05 ms 0.932 ms
> 2.76 ms
> 2 border2.s3-0.wtc-2.wdc.pnap.net (216.52.127.197) 5.34 ms 3.79 ms
> 5.59 ms
> 3 core1.fe0-0-fenet1.wdc.pnap.net (216.52.127.1) 5.33 ms 5.52 ms 9.60
> ms
> 4 sl-gw2-rly-6-1-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.184.89) 5.14 ms 6.67 ms
> 5.66 ms
> 5 sl-bb21-rly-3-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.14.45) 8.17 ms 6.74 ms 5.59
> ms
> 6 sl-bb20-pen-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.241) 8.16 ms 9.58 ms
> 8.43 ms
> 7 sl-bb20-stk-12-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.18.46) 67.9 ms 67.3 ms
> 70.9 ms
> 8 sl-gw28-stk-8-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.4.110) 67.8 ms 67.4 ms 68.1
> ms
> 9 * * *
> 10 * * *
> 11 P6-0.STKBB2.Stockton.opentransit.net (193.251.129.58) * * 1242 ms
> (ttl=247!)
> 12 * * *
> 13 * * *
> 14 * * *
> 15 * * *
> 16
>
> -Chris Woodfield
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:44:00AM -0800, Mathew Butler wrote:
> >
> > I thought that routers were supposed to send ICMP Source-Quench messages
> > when they got congested?
> >
> > Or is this something that the proponents of QoS didn't decide on?
> >
> > -Mat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 8:58 AM
> > To: 'Sean Donelan'; nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: RE: I think I jinxed Sprint
> >
> > The internet is a lot less forgiving wrt outages then the telco. The
telco
> > can have a circut outage, re-route to another circuit, and the customer
> > never sees an availability gap. Also, a total outage, during reduced
traffic
> > times, and no customer ever misses a dial-tone because they aren't
trying to
> > get one, is not an outage in telco terms. The internet, on the other
hand,
> > may have similar issues, unless we start talking streaming video,
streaming
> > audio, and voice over IP. In those cases, packet losses can make a
serious
> > mess of things. Also, congestion is treated differently between the two
> > systems. Telcos will actually return a fast-busy when a switch becomes
> > congested. The internet simply starts dropping packets. You can actually
> > hear the latter when using www.dialpad.com or MS-Netmeeting (both of
which,
> > I use extensively).
>
> --
> ---------------------------
> Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com
>
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